Growing way too tall and still haven't slowed down --

fendre

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Hey everyone,

I'm hoping you all could help out a first time grower with some plant height issues. The cause of my concern is I have 6 good quality bag seed females cloned/vegged and they are growing faster than expected in flowering. I fear I may have light burned buds before they are ready for harvest.

The setup is hydro ebb and flow with a 600W HPS, mostly AN nutes, 400CFM exhaust and 30 minutes of CO2 every two hours(in light cycle). The exhaust pushes through my HPS hood to help keep the heat out of my tiny space.

I expected to have to grow smaller plants because I already lost 2ft for my table so I started flowering when the plants were 7-9 inches tall. The largest plant had 8 nodes already on the stem. I think it grew really short and stubby because the plants were vegged under HPS 24/0 for about a week before flowering and the light was a little too close about 15" from the tops if I remember correctly.

The day before flowering I realized my mistake after talking with a friend and raised the light about 10". I kept raising the light as the plants grew. Now it is day 10 of flowering and my tallest plant is 25". I'm freaking out because their growth hasn't slowed, they are 17" from the light glass cover and I can only raise my light about another 6-8" because I have an air filter above the light.

Will they be fine without any changes? Should I drop a screen on top and scrog them? Should I chop them down and put 6 newly rooted clones in and skip the vegging period?

Sorry for the extremely long post. I just wanted to fit enough info for you to actually be able to help.

The first picture is of my flowering room day 10 just after the light turned on. The second is a picture of 6 rooted clones ready to be thrown into the flowering room to make for hopefully shorter plants if that is the best option.
 

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jgreenbeast

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would not hurt to try a scrog, or just train the hell out of em....... no since in wastin em trial and error my friend.
 

DaBull

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Be careful LSTing at this stage. Those stems look really thick so they are at risk for snapping. You can tell just before they snap as you can feel some real resistance. Think of a celery stalk. Good luck but they look pretty good.
 

resinraider

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Be careful LSTing at this stage. Those stems look really thick so they are at risk for snapping. You can tell just before they snap as you can feel some real resistance. Think of a celery stalk. Good luck but they look pretty good.
thats y u suppercrop and crush the stalks very well b4 bending them over... use pliers to crush if needed
 

Jester88

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think of how tall they were when you first started flowering them. plants have the tendancy to double or tripple in size after commencing flowering. you may be ok.. kuck fnows lol

thats y u suppercrop and crush the stalks very well b4 bending them over... use pliers to crush if needed
i softly rub my stems whilts bending every now and then. the result is after a few days the plant has been bent with low stress.

far mor appealing than crushing my stems lol.
 

thelastpirate

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thats y u suppercrop and crush the stalks very well b4 bending them over... use pliers to crush if needed

Dude is telling you right. Supercrop them. Pinch the stem to weaken (not break) the stem and bend it over. Geotropism kicks in and points them back upward. The bend will heal forming a "knuckle".
Best way to deal with lanky plants. But then, ya gotta have some room around them for bushing out a bit. Growth has to go somewhere, up or out.
 

fendre

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Growth has to go somewhere, up or out.
How about into big fat buds? lol - F leaves and branches.

Well sounds like supercropping is the way to go.

A friend told me about that a few weeks ago. I actually tested it out on a plant in veg that I didn't need to keep for a little expiriment. I think i may have pulped/bent it wrong because I cracked the stem on both sides. *crunch* Now it has a 1/4" see through slit in it that is slowly knotting up. It has been almost two weeks and is still producing new growth. Its crazy that works... Anyway I will give it a test on my tall plant and see what it looks like tomorrow.
 

fendre

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Well the trial has been implemented. The two tallest of the 6 have been supercropped. Poor little bastards. :(
 

DaBull

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Dude is telling you right. Supercrop them. Pinch the stem to weaken (not break) the stem and bend it over. Geotropism kicks in and points them back upward. The bend will heal forming a "knuckle".
Best way to deal with lanky plants. But then, ya gotta have some room around them for bushing out a bit. Growth has to go somewhere, up or out.
My plants are on the lanky side. They're 2 weeks into flowering. Is it too late to superCrop them?
 

asdfva

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Well the trial has been implemented. The two tallest of the 6 have been supercropped. Poor little bastards. :(
^^Photo updates??

I've yet to supercrop, but I know the procedure.

Good luck, I'm sure everything will work out fine.
 

fendre

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GreatwhiteNorth, that is a good idea. I have maybe 4 inches I could chop of the table legs. However the problem with my setup is it's kind of risky taking that tray filled with plants and hydroton out so I can mess with the table. Maybe next flowering attempt I can get the table lowered before the plants go in.

I will post pics in a few. Might have to wait until tonight.
 
:weed: The best suggestion I can make is to build yourself a proper grow room,and then you can grow them to their full potential,instead of all these other methods that you have to resort to. Growing weed is an evolutionary process. You keep doing what works well,throwing out the failed methods along the way. Learn from your mistakes,don't repeat them. And keep talking to other growers,and try some techniques that make sense. Remember,opinions are like assholes-everyone's got one-and there are many ways to get it done. Best of luck in your efforts.:leaf:
 

fendre

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Remember,opinions are like assholes-everyone's got one-and there are many ways to get it done.
I totally agree. Everyone has an opinion and/or method that works best for them with their genetics, environment, nutes and room setup. That is why my trial of supercropping is only being done to two plants. What works excellent for one person completely fails when another person tries to implement in their own garden.

For example. I have heard dozens of people say, DONT add nutes to freshly clipped clones and DONT use CO2 on them. I use nutes on my clones and a lot more that I probably should. I want them to have nutes available as soon as nubs are on the stem. I have also used CO2 + nutes and got roots coming out of the bottom of my rockwool within 6 days of clipping when with only nutes it usually takes 7-10 days. I have a very high success rate on clones so far. Kids dont try this at home. Do what the experts do. If that fails then maybe try what the armatures like myself are doing.

Oh the pictures are going to have to wait btw. I couldnt get back to it before the lights turned off.
 

fendre

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Well much like the plant I experimented on in veg with the pinch/bend SCing I cracked my stems. May have something to do with the very low humidity here. My grow room has a hard time making it up over 30%. I watched a few youtube.com videos to try to get the idea but I still feel like I butchered the technique.

Since the vertical cracks were so bad I actually had to twist the stem a little to close the gaps. They were letting out too much moisture and the leaves above were looking like they needed a drink. The node below took off on one of the plants and started growing straight up and quickly. I broke its neck as well, shown in the third picture.

I am also trying some LSTing since I had an extra 8 inches or so on the right side below the fan and above the CO2 tank.

I will post pics in a few days when they have healed their wounds.

It looks horrible right now. I'm experimenting...

The red circles mark the stems that are either bent over or were bent over. The red circles on the far left are where I took the close ups from.
 

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