HEY check out them for feet floro's i bolted to a peace of ply wood with some mylar to reflect the light back..they are 54 watt and i put 4 of them 2 cool wite and 2 worm wite..they will vegg and keep seed's going till thare are strong afuff to go under a H.I.D. so cool hope it an i-deer for someone and it only cost me $25 buck for it all.. that not bad to start some seed's...da plantDOC