coreywebster
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Do you have any pictures of old grows in flower?
Edit, I cant find the bit where you mentioned 10% run off. No worries though.
Edit, I cant find the bit where you mentioned 10% run off. No worries though.
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I can't either tbh, I guess it didn't post. I did have pics but the got deleted
Xs121
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Sorry man, I disagree with you...the leaves are drooping. Your leaves has very weak turgor pressure. If it has normal turgor those leaves would be perked up even if pinned down. Or it could be just recovering from the transplant shock, maybe you have transplanted it a little late or have disturbed the root. If so that would set you back maybe a week or two in terms of growth.
The good news is, for a 4 week old plant, the size looks good to me, just unhappy atm. The leaves are kind of small but it could be genetic.
If its my plant, after recovering from the transplant shock and no tip burns, I'll push my nutes until I find what is the optimal nute concentration for the plants. But that's me, others might disagree.
Well you are wrong, they are not drooping at all. The roots weren't disturbed and normally 4 weeks would be late but the roots were no were near being root bound which after 2 weeks they should be. When I first started, plants were at least 3 times the size of these.
I understand what you are saying, today the are already showing signs of growing upward. Doesn't dark green leaves mean to much N present?
I understand what you are saying, today the are already showing signs of growing upward. Doesn't dark green leaves mean to much N present?
Xs121
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I based it upon on the state of your leaves turgor pressure. If they are limpy, they are drooping, it doesnt have to bend all the way down. But if you say they are not, they are not then.
This is subjective and dependent on multiple variables. For instance, you mentioned you reused the coco, this alone could have a significant impact on your next grow. I believe you know that for first time use, your coco is high in potassium. If you are reusing it what do you think happened to all that potassium? Obviously on this grow, it would throw off your NPK.
Secondly, its pretty obvious from you picture that the plant is suffering some kind of stress (shock). A plant doesnt have to be root bound to suffer transplant shock.
Dark green doesnt tell anything, I have plants that's really dark blue green, I have plants that is greyish green, I have plants that's pale green all on the same nute. In veg stage, there is no such thing as too much nitrogen "unless" your plant is showing nute burn then you back off your nute concentration or reduce your feeding schedule. That's why I suggested to push the nute until you find that sweet spot.
The NPK Is 5-3-3 and the bottle says 40ml/10L and at the moment they are getting 1/4
Xs121
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Not even a teaspoon per gallon and that's probably around 100+- Nitrogen ppm per gallon (just guessing here without seeing the bottle). The manufacturer is right, you might want to get to 2 teaspoon per gallon and on top you might want to boost your potassium level with something else, pretty low in my opinion.
Try a teaspoon and a half and see how your plant react to it but definitely you would want to up that potassium. See what happened when the original potassium from coco is gone? Your potassium level suddenly dropped and this is probably the reason why you have smaller plant as compared to your first grow.
The last grow was fresh canna and still crap.
HeNot even a teaspoon per gallon and that's probably around 100+- Nitrogen ppm per gallon (just guessing here without seeing the bottle). The manufacturer is right, you might want to get to 2 teaspoon per gallon and on top you might want to boost your potassium level with something else, pretty low in my opinion.
Try a teaspoon and a half and see how your plant react to it but definitely you would want to up that potassium. See what happened when the original potassium from coco is gone? Your potassium level suddenly dropped and this is probably the reason why you have smaller plant as compared to your first grow.
Not even a teaspoon per gallon and that's probably around 100+- Nitrogen ppm per gallon (just guessing here without seeing the bottle). The manufacturer is right, you might want to get to 2 teaspoon per gallon and on top you might want to boost your potassium level with something else, pretty low in my opinion.
Try a teaspoon and a half and see how your plant react to it but definitely you would want to up that potassium. See what happened when the original potassium from coco is gone? Your potassium level suddenly dropped and this is probably the reason why you have smaller plant as compared to your first grow.
Xs121
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No offense man but...what part of the advise you didnt get? It seems to me though that you're given an advise and at every turn you're ready to contradict it then you come back here feeling sorry?
We've offered you advised (opinion) based on what you have provided us and it seems none of them is right for you in your own perspective. So what's the point in asking?
You said Canna is crap .... yet you keep using it. The manufacturer advise is almost 2 tsp per gallon and your using 1/4 and your complaining about plant size?
You're reusing coco, a reused coco is different from unused coco....understand that and you have somewhere to start.
Read up on NPK and you'll have a better understanding how to feed your plant. But maybe, what you need is a miracle.
We've offered you advised (opinion) based on what you have provided us and it seems none of them is right for you in your own perspective. So what's the point in asking?
You said Canna is crap .... yet you keep using it. The manufacturer advise is almost 2 tsp per gallon and your using 1/4 and your complaining about plant size?
You're reusing coco, a reused coco is different from unused coco....understand that and you have somewhere to start.
Read up on NPK and you'll have a better understanding how to feed your plant. But maybe, what you need is a miracle.
714steadyeddie
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You come here for help but snap at people with more knowledge than you when they are trying to help you.
You need more run off and if the plants looks weak and droopy ( yes your plants are droopy get real) then you should bump the feeding. You're not getting enough run off which is causing salts to pool at the bottom, then certain things get Locked out and your plant can't uptake the nutrients it needs.
Better cool your ego if you want to actually be a respectable grower
I never snapped at anyone, I stated that only one grow was reused coco and there's plenty of run off. if anyone's ego needs cooling, It is not mines, it's those who think they are high and mighty, that ridicule and don't listen. I didn't come here feeling sorry, far from it. I mistakenly came here looking for help...clearly it was a mistake. I gave all the info I was asked for.
Some people on here were helpful, others were just aragant
Some people on here were helpful, others were just aragant