Gun control is coming

Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Fogdog said:
The gun lobby and the industry that funds it is going to make bank while red states double down on stupid.
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The military industrial complex and the people that issue the fiat currency make bank while the uni-party distracts the terminally frightened with "gun control".

Yet, one, "the gun industry" selling to private citizens does not force people to buy their products. It's a voluntary trade.

Yet, "the other", doesn't care if you support their plan or not...you are forced to foot that bill to support democide. If you don't agree to pay them, they use guns to make you.

But, but "gun control", "we need to stop the violence", "if we can save just one life" . Uh suuuuure.


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Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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doublejj said:
People Can Now Carry Guns Without A License In Half Of America's States
A remarkably successful effort to make firearms easier to carry has swept across the country over the past 12 years.
www.huffpost.com

People Can Now Carry Guns Without A License In Half Of America's States

A remarkably successful effort to make firearms easier to carry has swept across the country over the past 12 years.
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more stupidity that will just end up being reversed. i just can't seem to grasp this desire to live in the wild west?
are the same people going to stop going to the dentist? stop using anesthesia? those are things that happened in the wild west, since we're nostalgic...
If it was just them that was going to shoot each other, i would enthusiastically support their efforts, just to help them along the way to their imminent extinction...but it's not just them, they're going to share their bullets with a lot of other people who didn't ask for them.
just like all those other republican type people who just love to share...the ones that are screaming about groomers, you know the ones, the same guys who get busted for child porn a little while later...the same ones who have been screaming about "the big steal" for years now, but are suddenly falling silent in the face of looming indictments...
some people just looovvve to share...
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Blue States & Red States seem to be going in opposite directions....
Governor Murphy Signs Gun Safety Bill Strengthening Concealed Carry Laws in New Jersey
Governor Phil Murphy today signed A4769/S3214, delivering on the promise he made in the immediate aftermath of the U.S. Supreme Court’s Bruen decision when he unveiled a comprehensive legislative proposal to maintain New Jersey’s status as a model for gun safety by strengthening restrictions for who is eligible for a public carry permit, and establishing a list of places where people with carry permits cannot bring their firearms.
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The Official Website of Governor Phil Murphy

The official website of the 56th Governor of New Jersey State, Phil Murphy.
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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CANON_Grow said:
That doesn't make any sense. It would if everyone was already disarmed. Gun control ≠ no guns
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Won't you be using guns in the hands of government people (who are paid with threats backed by guns) to enforce disarming people?

Won't government thugs still have guns if they are successful in disarming nongovernment people?

Doesn't make sense? Oh dear, I'm struggling to be kind here, please tell me it's the weed that has caused you to only consider part of the equation?

"Gun control" equals gun consolidation in the hands of people that have the worst track record of gun violence. Undeniable, fact based. Irrefutable.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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doublejj said:
Blue States & Red States seem to be going in opposite directions....
Governor Murphy Signs Gun Safety Bill Strengthening Concealed Carry Laws in New Jersey
Governor Phil Murphy today signed A4769/S3214, delivering on the promise he made in the immediate aftermath of the U.S. Supreme Court’s Bruen decision when he unveiled a comprehensive legislative proposal to maintain New Jersey’s status as a model for gun safety by strengthening restrictions for who is eligible for a public carry permit, and establishing a list of places where people with carry permits cannot bring their firearms.
nj.gov

The Official Website of Governor Phil Murphy

The official website of the 56th Governor of New Jersey State, Phil Murphy.
nj.gov
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Roger A. Shrubber said:
more stupidity that will just end up being reversed. i just can't seem to grasp this desire to live in the wild west?
are the same people going to stop going to the dentist? stop using anesthesia? those are things that happened in the wild west, since we're nostalgic...
If it was just them that was going to shoot each other, i would enthusiastically support their efforts, just to help them along the way to their imminent extinction...but it's not just them, they're going to share their bullets with a lot of other people who didn't ask for them.
just like all those other republican type people who just love to share...the ones that are screaming about groomers, you know the ones, the same guys who get busted for child porn a little while later...the same ones who have been screaming about "the big steal" for years now, but are suddenly falling silent in the face of looming indictments...
some people just looovvve to share...
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Which other rights should people have a license to use ?
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Rob Roy said:
Won't you be using guns in the hands of government people (who are paid with threats backed by guns) to enforce disarming people?

Won't government thugs still have guns if they are successful in disarming nongovernment people?

Doesn't make sense? Oh dear, I'm struggling to be kind here, please tell me it's the weed that has caused you to only consider part of the equation?

"Gun control" equals gun consolidation in the hands of people that have the worst track record of gun violence. Undeniable, fact based. Irrefutable.
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we put the guns in the hands of the "governemnt" people, when we elected them and chose them to enforce the laws that most of us want and abide by.
that means they aren't thugs, they're duly chosen representatives of the people, doing what MOST of the people want done.
rules change, laws change, people who don't change, fade away....except you, for some reason. you stay just the same...deluded and strident...never change, rooster, never change
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Rob Roy said:
Which other rights should people have a license to use ?
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whichever ones can have as meaningful an impact on their lives as someone murdering them or their family members so insecure assholes can have their compensators for being born with tiny genitalia?
or would you rather live in true anarchy? where the strong take what they want from the weak, who eventually just give up and die...and then the strong start to compete with each other, till in the end you have a few physically strong idiots starving to death? all hail the robroy future...
 
CANON_Grow

CANON_Grow

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Rob Roy said:
Won't you be using guns in the hands of government people (who are paid with threats backed by guns) to enforce disarming people?

Won't government thugs still have guns if they are successful in disarming nongovernment people?

Doesn't make sense? Oh dear, I'm struggling to be kind here, please tell me it's the weed that has caused you to only consider part of the equation?

"Gun control" equals gun consolidation in the hands of people that have the worst track record of gun violence. Undeniable, fact based. Irrefutable.
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-Well since the government doesn't cause the majority of mass shootings, I'm not too concerned about that.
-Government will still have guns, see point above.
-That's not all you're struggling with, so I appreciate the effort.
-You STILL haven't answered my questions from before, so please cite the undeniable, fact based, irrefutable examples you have. I wait with bated breath.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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CANON_Grow said:
-Well since the government doesn't cause the majority of mass shootings, I'm not too concerned about that.
-Government will still have guns, see point above.
-That's not all you're struggling with, so I appreciate the effort.
-You STILL haven't answered my questions from before, so please cite the undeniable, fact based, irrefutable examples you have. I wait with bated breath.
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you might do well to search his post history. He has evaded these questions many times before.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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cannabineer said:
you might do well to search his post history. He has evaded these questions many times before.
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He's evaded every fucking question, ever.
He has never once provided a straight up answer to any question. Ever.
I dare you or anyone else to post a link to a straight up clear answer by rob to one single question in the entire politics forum.
It is possible he has provided at least once concise answer in the growing forums, but i honestly don't recall seeing him participate much in them.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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CANON_Grow said:
-Well since the government doesn't cause the majority of mass shootings, I'm not too concerned about that.
-Government will still have guns, see point above.
-That's not all you're struggling with, so I appreciate the effort.
-You STILL haven't answered my questions from before, so please cite the undeniable, fact based, irrefutable examples you have. I wait with bated breath.
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Yes, government related people DO cause the majority of deaths using weapons you would deny nongovernment people.

Democide is the word you seem to be ignoring. When having discussions about mass shootings why wouldn't you include those deaths ?

I'm not sure which questions you've asked which I didn't answer.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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doublejj said:
Mostly the harmful ones....
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Could you be more specific which rights you would license ?

Also if people failed to get a license to exercise a right, would you be okay with people using guns to force them to, even if they were otherwise peaceful?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
we put the guns in the hands of the "governemnt" people, when we elected them and chose them to enforce the laws that most of us want and abide by.
that means they aren't thugs, they're duly chosen representatives of the people, doing what MOST of the people want done.
rules change, laws change, people who don't change, fade away....except you, for some reason. you stay just the same...deluded and strident...never change, rooster, never change
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I sometimes don't know where to begin with your retorts.

They are mineral rich with error and provide delicious irony and some good laughs. Thank you.

Gang rape is also a thing where most of the participants want something done. Is that evidence a majority is what makes a thing okay to do?

Slavery was once legal and now only a type of free range slavery is legal, if you ignore military conscription, is that evidence a majority vote makes something okay to do?

I'm willing to change an opinion when / if somebody would provide evidence I'm incorrect. Go for it.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Rob Roy said:
Could you be more specific which rights you would license ?

Also if people failed to get a license to exercise a right, would you be okay with people using guns to force them to, even if they were otherwise peaceful?
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Like practicing medicine or flying a plane or driving a semi or a car.....and owning guns. You know things that could easily kill other people. and yes laws only work if there is law enforcement. Thats why California has a Dept of Corrections and Rehabilitation to deal with offenders. Please stop at all STOP signs Rob yes they do apply to you too..
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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doublejj said:
Like practicing medicine or flying a plane or driving a semi or a car.....and owning guns. You know things that could easily kill other people. and yes laws only work if there is law enforcement. Thats why California has a Dept of Corrections and Rehabilitation to deal with offenders.
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About how many licensed drivers are involved in serious or lethal car accidents ?

Did you have a gun license when you were involved in the invasion of Viet Nam? Was the object of that adventure to kill people or were all those bodies just a weird coincidence? Why would you want people involved in killing innocent people to also be the ones that control licensure?

So, if a person is otherwise peaceful, but doesn't obey a given law, you're fine with guns being used to attack the peaceful person to get them to comply? Sounds a little shoot a dog prohibitiony to me.
 
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