Gun Control

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/19/us/new-york-student-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

The police officer responded to a home invasion and was met by an armed assailant with a hostage. The intruder held his gun to the head of the victim.

The intruder pointed his weapon in the direction of the officer. The officer opened fire at the intruder firing 8 shots. One shot striking the victim in the head killing her.


How did it become that the police are more concerned with their own lives than that of the victim

8 Shots is the telling part, beyond wreckless. The amount of shots fired used to weigh quite heavily in internal investigations into a officer caused shooting, early 90's that seemed to not have much weight as it used to. Number of shots fired is the tell tale sign of aggression.

Here's the part I don't get. The intruder turned his gun on the officer, and then [the cop] drew?? cn

see what gun control is doing? they want only the idiot police to have them and look what they do...fucking morons

If the cop had just had a seven round magazine that pretty young woman might be alive today.

We don't know which round out of the eight struck Rebello. My guess is either #1 or #2. Someone has watched too many Arnie movies. "What hostage??" cn

Atleast we can all agree on something for once

desert dude said:

if the cop had just had a seven round magazine that pretty young woman might be alive today.

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rotflmfao!!!

Sad story.... There is a discussion over here in ireland just now about giving the gardai (police) tazer things... would be interesting to see what you's americans think about that... ???

Well, perhaps the cop knew more than he is saying. And if he had to put 8 in the guy, it must have been wimpy 9mm.

But, are you saying a cop should just let people point guns at them? That's not in the SOP. Is he suppose to take a bullet before the perp then kills the girl?

Don't try this but if someone is holding a gun on you and they have a hostage in front of them and you try to defend against being shot, how nervous would YOU be? ANd what if the gunman flinched or intentionally pulled his victim closer in front when the officer fired, what would you expect to happen. Lastly, what if the hostage flinched in the wrong direction? If you weren't there or if you have never been in that position yourself, don't judge anyone elses' actions. I've had a gun stuck in my face and it is nerve rattling.

Doer said:

Well, perhaps the cop knew more than he is saying. And if he had to put 8 in the guy, it must have been wimpy 9mm.

But, are you saying a cop should just let people point guns at them? That's not in the SOP. Is he suppose to take a bullet before the perp then kills the girl?

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He's supposed to have drawn long before the suspect (!) turned the gun toward him. He should have had his weapon in hand and in condition Now before the door opened.
Mind you; i never wore a uniform, so i don't know the ins&outs of real-life tactical firearms use. But in the play world of Tactical Pistol, you drew when the buzzer blew. cn

splifchris said:

Sad story.... There is a discussion over here in ireland just now about giving the gardai (police) tazer things... would be interesting to see what you's americans think about that... ???

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Oh, we have tasers. A guy was just killed by one. Shot in the back close range on video for the world to see. Woops, it was his service revolver. He made a mistake. Now folks here will have all sort of opinions about the BART cop shooting at the train station.

But, here is the tell tale. When he shot, the Cop then held his gun up and looked at it in disbelief. So, not murder.

Tazers are .22 cal barbed darts and uncoiling wire. I can't see that as any help when the perp lift that gun. You are milliseconds from possible death.

Doer said:

Well, perhaps the cop knew more than he is saying. And if he had to put 8 in the guy, it must have been wimpy 9mm.

But, are you saying a cop should just let people point guns at them? That's not in the SOP. Is he suppose to take a bullet before the perp then kills the girl?

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It doesn't say the intruder fired. I would think that it was a special circumstance when the victim is between the both of them

cannabineer said:

He's supposed to have drawn long before the suspect (!) turned the gun toward him. He should have had his weapon in hand and in condition Now before the door opened.
Mind you; i never wore a uniform, so i don't know the ins&outs of real-life tactical firearms use. But in the play world of Tactical Pistol, you drew when the buzzer blew. cn

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The officer should of had his pistol drawn before point of entry, you shoot to stop.

Hostage situations are always tough, I don't understand why a lone officer was the only one responding. But really we don't have all the details. The 8 shots really stands out though.

maybe the criminal guy was mad out of it on pcp or something and didnt go down...

Doer said:

Oh, we have tasers. A guy was just killed by one. Shot in the back close range on video for the world to see. Woops, it was his service revolver. He made a mistake. Now folks here will have all sort of opinions about the BART cop shooting at the train station.

But, here is the tell tale. When he shot, the Cop then held his gun up and looked at it in disbelief. So, not murder.

Tazers are .22 cal barbed darts and uncoiling wire. I can't see that as any help when the perp lift that gun. You are milliseconds from possible death.

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no i was more meaning that our gardai are not armed just now... and they are talking about giving them tazers... personally i think that if the police are armed then they are more likely to get gun pulled on them and shot... we have an armed responce unit set up here.... andpeople are worried over here that these tazers might be the first step to arming the gardai over here... which would lead to similar situations as in this thread...

mtgeezer said:

Don't try this but if someone is holding a gun on you and they have a hostage in front of them and you try to defend against being shot, how nervous would YOU be? ANd what if the gunman flinched or intentionally pulled his victim closer in front when the officer fired, what would you expect to happen. Lastly, what if the hostage flinched in the wrong direction? If you weren't there or if you have never been in that position yourself, don't judge anyone elses' actions. I've had a gun stuck in my face and it is nerve rattling.

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Aren't the Police supposed to be the ones TRAINED AND READY for that kind of thing? Anyone who can't hack it should have been vetted in Academy.

splifchris said:

no i was more meaning that our gardai are not armed just now... and they are talking about giving them tazers... personally i think that if the police are armed then they are more likely to get gun pulled on them and shot... we have an armed responce unit set up here.... and people are worried over here that these tazers might be the first step to arming the gardai over here... which would lead to similar situations as in this thread...

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That brother, I can't even attempt to imagine. Things are...well, a bit different here. I was standing in the Armor Museum in Zürich. I was looking at a full size tableau of a squad of Pike just setting in for a horse charge. These were big long suckers, easily 16 ft. Very intense, frozen action scene of the Swiss, really hardened up, leaning into it.

It was there I thought...What is a rock but a standoff fist?

What is artillery but a standoff Pike? Weapons race. Thus it is ever so.

Yes, the stats are good for you, cousin, very little gun violence, so far. A bit more other types of violence, but that's another line.

I would not worry about arming your guards, if I were you. You need to understand the growing rate of guns in your country. It is buried in deep doo-doo as it is here. But, I can find that secret criminal guns are on the rise, and you can too, if you look.

But, I think all this is flawed thinking and I'm glad you asked. Armed response only helps the ones that remained alive. No one trained in tazers will pull one in a gun fight. A thug with a gun will not be deterred by a taser and so is not more or less likely to shoot.

A taser can and does save the ass of citizens every day. When there is a drunken confrontation a taser is a wonderful wake up. Tough guys with samurai swords, zaaaaapp. It has the range to neutralize a knife if the cop is being nice. He has every right to shoot within 15 feet, IMO. Choking some girl, oh hell yeah. zapppp. Fantastic for domestic disputes, public disorder, etc. Can zap first ask questions later.

A taser is a tool. No more no less. Used, abused or zap the pee-pee...same as a gun.

Brilliant little read that... Thanks man