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Ursus marijanus
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gun law reform... please!
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Dr Kynes
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8mm mauser is a stinker. if the recoil with factory ammo is significant, slug your bore. some 8mm mausers are 8mm grove diameter, and some are 8mm bore diameter. if youre not sure which and your gun is thumping harder than it ought you prolly have a J bore (groove diameter) making extreme pressures when it tries to force a bullet thats .01" too big for the barrel down that long ass tube.
careful with the lebels too, some of those are designed to shoot steel jacketed wood bullets (no shit, a piece of wood in a steel wrapper) so you get wild pressure from a lead slug.
if your 30-40 krag is a krag jorgensen, dont shoot it. is worth a packet even if it is rusty. factory ammo can crack the chamber and receiver. those are for black powder loads at 40 grains of black powder, smokeless powder is 3-4x more pressure per grain. factory ammo will break the receiver mounted magazine wide open.
.303 brits also come in a wide range of bore diameters, mine is .311 which is nominal, but some are as tight as .306 or as sloppy as .318 slug that bore too. surplus ammo is garbage, some of it is mislabeled AP, some of it is chordite crap from ww1 reboxed by unscrupulous merchants in ww2, and some of it is loaded with mislabeled incendiary (especially in .303 which was the most popular medium machinegun round for all commonwealth forces and even the japanese) incendiaries will fuck your bore up, chordite will rot it out, and AP will grind it smooth making your shit into a shotgun.
8mm recoil is pretty harsh all the time in my opinion. I don't buy American made rounds for my rifles because a lot of time they are undersized due to concerns of people who don't know what kind of gun they have shooting the wrong bullet. When I buy ammo for it, it is always surplus or S&B. The S&B is really close to original loadings and have quite a kick. I reload the S&B cases with the surplus bullet and powder but reduce the load 10%. The primers on the surplus 8mm I have cases of are pretty hard and corrosive to boot. Shooting them out of my near mint Gew 98 makes me feel sick to my stomach without reloading them. The k98s and Gew 98s do not fire the .318 round. I know the difference between S and J ammo/guns. The only time you would find yourself with the other round would be if you picked up a 88 commission or something. The chance of someone buying or selling one of these accidentally is pretty remote. I did see an auction house sell a Chinese Type 56(m44 clone) in a 2x4 stock that someone had made as a Carcano carbine though, so it happens. I wish someone would accidentally sell me a 88 commission.
My Lebel has the marked barrel and takes factory ammo just fine. I do have some hotchkiss surplus that I picked up a while back, but it doesn't usually fire due to the primers being crap.
What other type of 30-40 krag have you seen? lol. They weren't black powder, it was actually the first smokeless powder round used by the US army. The .30-40 means .30 cal bullet with 40 grains of powder. While this is a black powder designation, it isn't actually a black powder round and uses standard powder. Given the design of the rifle, I don't load it hot, as I mostly just like plinking. However, the action on this rifle even after 113 years is smoother than any new rifle I have ever picked up. Not shooting this rifle would be a travesty. My rifle is as nice as a Krag comes. Unmolested, uncracked, and the wood is absolutely beautiful. My wife looked at it when I paid for it and went :O but I only payed 500 for it, she just saw a old ugly rifle. I saw a beautiful rifle that just needed a little cleaning and oil and was worth at least 2-3x's that. Why own a rifle you never shoot or don't intend to shoot? I've been eying martini rifles lately.
Mine uses .311 bullets, which is the same as my PSL and some of my mosins. With any surplus ammo, you just make sure you pour hot water down the bore after shooting. Though honestly, I have been running tests on different 7.62x54 ammo on a model 38 carbine and I have yet to see any rust from any of the ammo I have after weeks of not cleaning. Granted, I only shot 20 rounds at a time through it. I've never even seen a gun rust up due to ammo except for a black powder.
deprave
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If you want some examples look at mil spec ar15 vs commercial parts, the commercial parts are always higher quality(thicker/more durable)...the miltary takes things like cost, weight, harsh conditions into their selection were jim-joe-bob just wants BFGs and to prep for Armageddon. You must live in a state with strict gun control laws or something, I don't understand how you think civilians can't get better weapons than the military as far as infantry, you can just order 50 cal rifles, assault rifes, incendiary ammo and shit right off the internet.
This is the wasr 10 ...a romanian ak47....fully legal by atf, don't even need a background check....400$ off the fucking internet...7.62x39..30-100+ round clips:
My point is there is EASILY....millions of people with something like this...it would far outnumber the amount of troops that would stand and fight Americans, further the ones that wouldn't would take up on our side along with all the other veterans and militia in the country.
[video=youtube;GtVB5ELrn4Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtVB5ELrn4Q[/video]
You do need a background check for all guns you buy from a dealer and online. Unless you have a FFL, in which case you already have had your background check. You can buy from a private party without a background check in a lot of states without a background check. They have also went up in price, you won't get one after shipping for less than $500. The slide fire stocks start at about $300. Though it is pretty fun to shoot, they aren't really that useful for anything as they make the gun wildly inaccurate.
deprave
New Member
Your right I wildly exagerated some points and I stand corrected but my gun store has a USED WASR 10 for 320$ right now and then you could make your own slide fire stock. I also agree they are very stupid.
snowboarder396
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Ive been looking up getting good shotgunfor hunting without spending an arm and leg.. What would you say would be better the newer semi-automatic hunting ones or under-overs? I've been looking at gettting an under over. which would you say? and what brands8mm recoil is pretty harsh all the time in my opinion. I don't buy American made rounds for my rifles because a lot of time they are undersized due to concerns of people who don't know what kind of gun they have shooting the wrong bullet. When I buy ammo for it, it is always surplus or S&B. The S&B is really close to original loadings and have quite a kick. I reload the S&B cases with the surplus bullet and powder but reduce the load 10%. The primers on the surplus 8mm I have cases of are pretty hard and corrosive to boot. Shooting them out of my near mint Gew 98 makes me feel sick to my stomach without reloading them. The k98s and Gew 98s do not fire the .318 round. I know the difference between S and J ammo/guns. The only time you would find yourself with the other round would be if you picked up a 88 commission or something. The chance of someone buying or selling one of these accidentally is pretty remote. I did see an auction house sell a Chinese Type 56(m44 clone) in a 2x4 stock that someone had made as a Carcano carbine though, so it happens. I wish someone would accidentally sell me a 88 commission.
My Lebel has the marked barrel and takes factory ammo just fine. I do have some hotchkiss surplus that I picked up a while back, but it doesn't usually fire due to the primers being crap.
What other type of 30-40 krag have you seen? lol. They weren't black powder, it was actually the first smokeless powder round used by the US army. The .30-40 means .30 cal bullet with 40 grains of powder. While this is a black powder designation, it isn't actually a black powder round and uses standard powder. Given the design of the rifle, I don't load it hot, as I mostly just like plinking. However, the action on this rifle even after 113 years is smoother than any new rifle I have ever picked up. Not shooting this rifle would be a travesty. My rifle is as nice as a Krag comes. Unmolested, uncracked, and the wood is absolutely beautiful. My wife looked at it when I paid for it and went :O but I only payed 500 for it, she just saw a old ugly rifle. I saw a beautiful rifle that just needed a little cleaning and oil and was worth at least 2-3x's that. Why own a rifle you never shoot or don't intend to shoot? I've been eying martini rifles lately.
Mine uses .311 bullets, which is the same as my PSL and some of my mosins. With any surplus ammo, you just make sure you pour hot water down the bore after shooting. Though honestly, I have been running tests on different 7.62x54 ammo on a model 38 carbine and I have yet to see any rust from any of the ammo I have after weeks of not cleaning. Granted, I only shot 20 rounds at a time through it. I've never even seen a gun rust up due to ammo except for a black powder.
ChesusRice
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870
any of them
Mindmelted
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Couple of my toys and i have a couple of these(from vietnam)
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Dr Kynes
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i found the 8mm quite mild when compared to 300 sav. in a remington model 8, or my overcharged .303 or the 30/06 in a shortie sporter brush gun if it's really bumping hard myabe you need a stock lengthening buttplate.8mm recoil is pretty harsh all the time in my opinion. I don't buy American made rounds for my rifles because a lot of time they are undersized due to concerns of people who don't know what kind of gun they have shooting the wrong bullet. When I buy ammo for it, it is always surplus or S&B. The S&B is really close to original loadings and have quite a kick. I reload the S&B cases with the surplus bullet and powder but reduce the load 10%. The primers on the surplus 8mm I have cases of are pretty hard and corrosive to boot. Shooting them out of my near mint Gew 98 makes me feel sick to my stomach without reloading them. The k98s and Gew 98s do not fire the .318 round. I know the difference between S and J ammo/guns. The only time you would find yourself with the other round would be if you picked up a 88 commission or something. The chance of someone buying or selling one of these accidentally is pretty remote. I did see an auction house sell a Chinese Type 56(m44 clone) in a 2x4 stock that someone had made as a Carcano carbine though, so it happens. I wish someone would accidentally sell me a 88 commission.
My Lebel has the marked barrel and takes factory ammo just fine. I do have some hotchkiss surplus that I picked up a while back, but it doesn't usually fire due to the primers being crap.
What other type of 30-40 krag have you seen? lol. They weren't black powder, it was actually the first smokeless powder round used by the US army. The .30-40 means .30 cal bullet with 40 grains of powder. While this is a black powder designation, it isn't actually a black powder round and uses standard powder. Given the design of the rifle, I don't load it hot, as I mostly just like plinking. However, the action on this rifle even after 113 years is smoother than any new rifle I have ever picked up. Not shooting this rifle would be a travesty. My rifle is as nice as a Krag comes. Unmolested, uncracked, and the wood is absolutely beautiful. My wife looked at it when I paid for it and went :O but I only payed 500 for it, she just saw a old ugly rifle. I saw a beautiful rifle that just needed a little cleaning and oil and was worth at least 2-3x's that. Why own a rifle you never shoot or don't intend to shoot? I've been eying martini rifles lately.
Mine uses .311 bullets, which is the same as my PSL and some of my mosins. With any surplus ammo, you just make sure you pour hot water down the bore after shooting. Though honestly, I have been running tests on different 7.62x54 ammo on a model 38 carbine and I have yet to see any rust from any of the ammo I have after weeks of not cleaning. Granted, I only shot 20 rounds at a time through it. I've never even seen a gun rust up due to ammo except for a black powder.
30-40 krag was chambered in very few rifles, but i have seen winchesters and a few rechambered sporters that use this round. the 30-440 krag cartridge was designed for black powder, hence the designation, but was loaded with a proportionally smaller charge of smokeless. if you cram 40 grains of smokeless in the thing youll have pieces of your rifle embedded in your flesh. im so jealous of your krag. if i had one i would treat it like a princess, and only use it when showing off.
the key to the old enfields and moisins is many of them have chrome lined bores, sio they can take shitloads of abuse from corosive ammo, those are the best choice if you wanna shoot surplus, but i never touch the stuff.
i had a couple rounds that didnt fire, and one of them, when ejected cooked on the bench for a few seconds and then discharged. surplus ammo is just too dicey for me even when plinking.
the sellier and belloit ammo is awesome though, i reload those cases all the time, but their brass is a little thinner at the case head, so they cant handle hot loads for serious business, only federal brass can take the pounding i give them for serious business.
I have a SIG 550. Its much better built than anything the US Military currently fields. Better than a M-16, better than a M249, way fucking better than an AK.
Of course after spending Years in the USMC and fighting in 3 different theaters of combat, everyone knows that the day you get out of the military is the day you forget everything they ever taught you too.
Any idea how many of the population are Veterans? 22.7 MILLION. Know what the total combined force of all US Military fighting forces is? 2.5 Million. 10 trained veterans for each real time soldier.
Marksman in the Army is the designation they give you for just barely passing rifle Qualification. Expert is the highest award in the Army and the Marines. My best score on the 500 Meter range was 248/250. I have never missed the bullseye from 500 Meters either. never.
*Martial*
pump action is better than either. CHeesus gave a good recommendation.
Mr Neutron
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Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.
budlover13
King Tut
The 870 platform is solid. As for wanting an auto over a pump, you lose some range by utilzing gas to cycle the round. PLUS, the sound of a 12 gauge racking a round is quite often all that is needed. Not saying it works every time, but i have seen hardened criminals freeze and drop to their knees upon hearing the sound.
Mr Neutron
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Pumps are good "all around" weapons, especially for home defense but he said he wants something for hunting. I would recommend an over/under. As far as brand goes, don't worry too much about that, find one you like as far as fit and price then go bust some claybirds, to try it out.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
That, and a pump can handle any load. Autoloaders have become much much better at working with a range of shell energies, but it's like a single-action sixgun ... the pump will shoot anything, and either sound (a slide getting racked, a hammer getting thumbed) have a distinctly relaxing effect on sundry sphincters. cn
budlover13
King Tut
i still prefer the pump for hunting. Gives me that last "desperation" round
ChesusRice
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Range is not an issue, I figure 15 feet at the most is all you need to shoot
No you will not hear the "racking of the slide" You may however get "blinded by the light" followed by "going towards the light"
I cannot think of a better all around choice than a 870 for hunting or home defense.
Mr Neutron
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Range is an issue if your hunting geese.
ChesusRice
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Fuck no
Cleaned way to many of them to even think about hunting them. Only way I would hunt would be like my uncle bob up north. He just points his rifle out his window. Shoots then goes out with the 49 ford tractor and a sled and brings it back