justatoker
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iunno if ur just talking bs or what,but a sawwed off shotgun carries a VERY STIFF penalty. Its called a weapon of mass destruction
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iunno if ur just talking bs or what,but a sawwed off shotgun carries a VERY STIFF penalty. Its called a weapon of mass destruction
LostInSpace...
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BCTrippin is right, for me local laws stipulate that ammo and mags must be stored in a separate locked box or safe. Which they are...
locoman610
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I have been thinking about this myself.
But my prob is that I have a license to carry so at least one handgun is loaded and within reach if not on me. Also only a small personal grow and no scales baggies etc.
But my prob is that I have a license to carry so at least one handgun is loaded and within reach if not on me. Also only a small personal grow and no scales baggies etc.
LostInSpace...
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See I would have thought that if they where going to raid you, they would check all they're records and see that they will encounter weapons so regardless if you follow all the laws and rules, they aren't going to mess around.
humblegrizz
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Sawed off shotguns are illegal in most of the states due to their easily concealed nature ,im not sure about other countries tho. However, even an undocumented antique gun could get you into more trouble than you might think, as someone I know somehow ended up getting a felony charge for a 100 yr old shotgun that would probably do more damage to the person pulling the trigger! So even if you have an ancient decorative firearm the bacon can potentially give you a lot of trouble about it.
What you should do, other than proper odor and light control, is get a police scanner and an emergency supply of dunkin doughnuts and coffee in case you think the heat is coming. Im sure a little hospitality could throw them off the trail kiss-ass
IMO its your right to have some insurance against totalitarianism
What you should do, other than proper odor and light control, is get a police scanner and an emergency supply of dunkin doughnuts and coffee in case you think the heat is coming. Im sure a little hospitality could throw them off the trail kiss-ass
IMO its your right to have some insurance against totalitarianism
tusseltussel
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i have a 12ga. ithaca modle 37 i keep it next to my bed with a few shells close by my grow room is not in my house but out in my garage and i have a loaded 38 revolver in the garage but thats more of a farm tool than a wepon.... ive never really thought about penalty thats just something you gotta deal with if you get cought
I hate to say this but if they find a police scaner they are very illegal to have and you could get more time ontop of firearm and plants
BCtrippin
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Yeah no shit, what are you gonna do, sit there all day every day listening to the police scanner waiting to randomly hear your address?
You will never know whats going on, even with a scanner.
And sawed off shotguns are incredibly illegal anywhere. Its illegal to modify any firearms on your own.
You will never know whats going on, even with a scanner.
And sawed off shotguns are incredibly illegal anywhere. Its illegal to modify any firearms on your own.
Short answer is that it is a bad idea in the US, in almost every state you are looking at an additional charge and it my state it will bump your State Jail Felony up to a 3rd degree felony. I do have loaded firearms in the house and I carry at least one on me about 70% of the time. If I ever do get busted I am going to try and fight it out in court since I can provide a reason to have both the gun and the pot. A guy in my state actually got his case thrown out when he argued a medical need for pot, he was lucky and had a sympathetic jury, I am going to roll the dice for the good of everyone in my state if I get popped.
Again though as long as you are safe about your grow less than 3% of all pot users and growers are busted every year (and that includes people bringing it over the border).
Again though as long as you are safe about your grow less than 3% of all pot users and growers are busted every year (and that includes people bringing it over the border).
humblegrizz
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Ha yeah, i was mostly j/k... but just for an added bit of security.. Suppose that there is a prank or mistaken 911 call or something to your address.. wouldn't a 3 minute heads up be nice, even if there is only like a 10% chance that you would hear it? and in response to the post about them being illegal... why does radio shack sell them?Yeah no shit, what are you gonna do, sit there all day every day listening to the police scanner waiting to randomly hear your address?
You will never know whats going on, even with a scanner.
And sawed off shotguns are incredibly illegal anywhere. Its illegal to modify any firearms on your own.
can i start buying crack there too? ... radio crack haha
BCtrippin
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Ha yeah, i was mostly j/k... but just for an added bit of security.. Suppose that there is a prank or mistaken 911 call or something to your address.. wouldn't a 3 minute heads up be nice, even if there is only like a 10% chance that you would hear it? and in response to the post about them being illegal... why does radio shack sell them?
Police scanners are kinda in a grey area. A lot of places they are legal to own, but still illegal to listen in on police calls.
Even if you were listening one night, and they did say your address, chances are you will have no idea what they are talking about. You would need do be switching between channels or have multiple scanners running to even hear everything they are saying. And If there was going to be a raid, they wouldnt announce your address on the regular radio frequency.
It would be a swat team, and they would use a private com frequency. Police scanners are not gonna save your ass. Even if you did hear them coming, the chances would be like 0.00001% chance of hearing it and what are you gonna do? They would raid you and you would be in your grow room being all paranoid trying to destroy evidence.
justatoker
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whe u buy a scanner it just doesnt automatically pick up police channels.. there are codes u have to use.. the old ones had "crystals" you changed or w/e.. ive never had one im just going by what some ppl have told me though.
BCtrippin
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I had one when I was a kid. You dont need codes or crystals as far as I know. We just turned it on and flipped through the different channels.
That was a long time ago when I was a quite young though, I would imagine they have upraded their systems. Still, if you buy a police scanner and you needed codes they really wouldnt be hard to find.
justatoker
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yea they have books at radio shack that has all the codes/channels for emergency freq's . or they used to. I really sont see the prob w/ scanners.. alot of ppl use em.. normal ppl.. ppl like to be nosey lol.. alot of volunteer firemen use em too.
justatoker
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RetiredToker76
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This is more of the law against freedom of the people...
I own multiple guns. They are all loaded, all within reach, and all ready to go in case the SHTF. I'm also not growing, so I dunno how I feel about growing and guns.
I know that a lot of state compound laws so they can double and triple whammy you.
As to the sawed off shotgun question. If the barrel length is under 18" it's a felony to possess under federal law. With a barrel less than 18" it's considered a 'short barreled rifle.' To possess a SBR you have to have a class 3 license, if that class three license is not with the weapon then you are a felon under federal law.
As to keeping you're guns and ammo separate. You now have a very effective paper weight, locked in a safe, cable or trigger locked, unloaded, and absolutely worthless. Might as well wait for the cops to show up if you get broken into in the middle of the night. Oh wait, you have pot growing in your closet, don't call the cops.
If you're growing you are already committing a crime in most US states. In several cities where it's legal to grow it's illegal to possess a weapon at all. Go figure.
The ONLY weapon I have unloaded is a shotgun. Who here WOULDN'T run from the universally known sound of a shotgun being racked. If I hear my house alarm go off, that's the first sound the intruder is going to hear. If he doesn't leave the next sound is going to be the report of a .45 and he'll only hear it if I miss.
As far as committing crimes. I'll quote one of the grow manuals I read. "I say this because obviously people who grow marijuana are very concerned about laws."
I for one am an Anarchist to the point that I reject the rule of government completely. That which I can do legally, cool, that which I can't, screw it, their government their laws they burn in hell, oh wait that's something different.
There are over 2500 federal gun laws on the books, couple that with your state laws and find me anyone who knows what is always legal and what is always illegal.
The one thing a grower, a gun owner, or one who does both should have. Your lawyers card in your wallet and him on speed dial on every phone you have. Don't say anything until you've spoken to him.
If you're raided ... Well my advice is don't shoot the cops. Although I feel the argument is that they are suppressing your freedom of expression, freedom of religion, and freedom of speech by shutting down your grow. Isn't that what the second amendment is for?
-RT76
I own multiple guns. They are all loaded, all within reach, and all ready to go in case the SHTF. I'm also not growing, so I dunno how I feel about growing and guns.
I know that a lot of state compound laws so they can double and triple whammy you.
As to the sawed off shotgun question. If the barrel length is under 18" it's a felony to possess under federal law. With a barrel less than 18" it's considered a 'short barreled rifle.' To possess a SBR you have to have a class 3 license, if that class three license is not with the weapon then you are a felon under federal law.
As to keeping you're guns and ammo separate. You now have a very effective paper weight, locked in a safe, cable or trigger locked, unloaded, and absolutely worthless. Might as well wait for the cops to show up if you get broken into in the middle of the night. Oh wait, you have pot growing in your closet, don't call the cops.
If you're growing you are already committing a crime in most US states. In several cities where it's legal to grow it's illegal to possess a weapon at all. Go figure.
The ONLY weapon I have unloaded is a shotgun. Who here WOULDN'T run from the universally known sound of a shotgun being racked. If I hear my house alarm go off, that's the first sound the intruder is going to hear. If he doesn't leave the next sound is going to be the report of a .45 and he'll only hear it if I miss.
As far as committing crimes. I'll quote one of the grow manuals I read. "I say this because obviously people who grow marijuana are very concerned about laws."
I for one am an Anarchist to the point that I reject the rule of government completely. That which I can do legally, cool, that which I can't, screw it, their government their laws they burn in hell, oh wait that's something different.
There are over 2500 federal gun laws on the books, couple that with your state laws and find me anyone who knows what is always legal and what is always illegal.
The one thing a grower, a gun owner, or one who does both should have. Your lawyers card in your wallet and him on speed dial on every phone you have. Don't say anything until you've spoken to him.
If you're raided ... Well my advice is don't shoot the cops. Although I feel the argument is that they are suppressing your freedom of expression, freedom of religion, and freedom of speech by shutting down your grow. Isn't that what the second amendment is for?
-RT76
LostInSpace...
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Just a quick reply to the ammo being kept separate, I only load my guns on the range or when hunting. I have absolutely no need to have a loaded firearm in my house. I know that some people may feel the need or the right to do this but not in my circumstance.
2cimdma
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I have been caught with guns and drugs in Illinois. Now I can tell you this from experience. The drug wasnt weed it was heroin, less then a gram for personal use. Possession of a controlled substance is a class 4 felony in Il. punishable by 1-3 years in prison or probation. Now when I got raided the found the heroin as well as a 12 gauge pump action shotgun that was sawed off about 3 days previous(yea I had bad luck), a Savage .223 and a Ruger 10/22. Since I had these guns the charge turned into whats callled Armed Violence. In Illinois they classify an armed violence case if your armed while commiting a felony. Armed violence is a class X felony punishable from 6-30 years with no possibility of probation. Also with armed violence you have to do 85% of your time. With most felonys in Illinois like a burglary or something you get good time in prison. So if you commited a burglary and got sentence to 4 years you would get that time cut in half and then also get 6 months good time. You automatically get your time cut in half if you have a non violence felony or not a sex crime. You also get 6 months on top of that for felony's besides what I just metioned. Then you also have the option to go to school in there to get good time or go to their drug program. But with the crime I was charged with, armed violence, I wasnt gonna get my time cut in half or tyhe 6 months or I didnt have the option of the drug or school good time. But anyways in exchange for a guilty plea I coped out(plea bargin) for an 8 year sentence and the dismissed the armned violence charge. I got caught Dec.17 2002 and got out Jan.4 2007. I was suppose to get out July 31 2006 but a week before my release date I got called to the central command and informed I had felony warrant. So the day I got released I was picked up by cops and brought back to another county jail and give some more time. Yea that sucked