Guns & Gun Violence

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NoDrama

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see4 said:
http://digg.com/2015/americas-gun-problem-what-we-learned

- 355 Mass Shootings in 338 days so far, in 2015.
- Amongst developing nations, US is #1 in gun violence on the planet. By far.
- In 12 years, Guns have killed more than AIDS, war and drug overdose, combined.

And here are the big ones:
- Gun ownership directly correlates to gun death.
- Guns are not responsible for drops in crime rates.

Most of you know where I stand on guns. So, what do we do about guns?
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France had more gun related casualties this year alone than the last 8 years in the USA COMBINED. France has some of the strictest gun ownership laws in the world. 508 in France this year alone, vs 404 in the USA over the last 8 years. What does that say about stricter laws = less gun violence? Disproven.
The USA isn't a developing nation, why would you characterize it as such?

Lets not forget that 75% of your gun deaths statistics are SUICIDES! http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html?_r=0
Woopsy.

Pretty much makes all those gun death statistics look like a great big lie doesn't it?
20,000 of those 33,000 gun deaths are suicides by gun. http://www.newsweek.com/2015/10/02/americas-biggest-gun-problem-suicide-374547.html

You should also compare mass killings to the population, not just the number of them. By population, the USA ranks #10 in gun deaths, and that still includes the suicides.
http://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

Rights are absolute. You cannot disarm the USA just because someone MIGHT use them in an illegal way just as you cannot put a muzzle on people going into a crowded theater to ensure no one yells fire when there isn't one. Rights are immune from so called "Reasonable Regulation". Taking guns away doesn't stop gun crimes.
 
see4

see4

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NoDrama said:
France had more gun related casualties this year alone than the last 8 years in the USA COMBINED. France has some of the strictest gun ownership laws in the world. 508 in France this year alone, vs 404 in the USA over the last 8 years. What does that say about stricter laws = less gun violence? Disproven.
The USA isn't a developing nation, why would you characterize it as such?

Lets not forget that 75% of your gun deaths statistics are SUICIDES! http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html?_r=0
Woopsy.

Pretty much makes all those gun death statistics look like a great big lie doesn't it?
20,000 of those 33,000 gun deaths are suicides by gun. http://www.newsweek.com/2015/10/02/americas-biggest-gun-problem-suicide-374547.html

You should also compare mass killings to the population, not just the number of them. By population, the USA ranks #10 in gun deaths, and that still includes the suicides.
http://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

Rights are absolute. You cannot disarm the USA just because someone MIGHT use them in an illegal way just as you cannot put a muzzle on people going into a crowded theater to ensure no one yells fire when there isn't one. Rights are immune from so called "Reasonable Regulation". Taking guns away doesn't stop gun crimes.
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I can assume you posted this before reading the thread? :cool:
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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ZaraBeth420 said:
Why does anyone oppose stricter checks for gun buyers? That would not keep any qualified people from getting guns. Yet the nra opposes it. I don't understand. its almost like they are trying to be difficult. How could they oppose more background checks? My dad is in the nra, so I don't hate the nra. I just don't understand them sometimes.
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Who gets to decide who can have guns and who can't under such a system? If the government itself is the problem, do you think they'll just be willing to let citizens have them forever?
 
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