H.r. 1388 - g.i.v.e

TreesOfLife

Well-Known Member
I think it is a good Idea. Gives the underpriveledged a chance to go to college, and doing national service is not all that bad. Think of all the good they could do, clean up the cities, rat out drug dealers, do pro-bono work in courts, hospitals, clean up the national parks, etc. talking about mindfucking them into ratting on their parents is complete paranoia, Hitlerian bullshit. Leave it to the conservidiots to bring that up. BTW, a draft for military service is not part of the plan, but may be used in time of war. I say a draft is good, spread the death around. I am totally against war, but that being said, I believe that the rich kids should be required to serve on the front lines along with the poor. Most likely, that would slow the tendency to have wars, but there must not be deferments for the priveledged. If my kids have to go to war, so should Obamas kids, and all those congresmens kids, and all those CEOs kids.

Med O Mao WAKE THE FUCK UP. THIS IS HILTER SHIT YOU TOOL. OPEN YOUR EYES. end rant bongsmilie
 

Microdizzey

Well-Known Member
It's hard not be get paranoid about this stuff. But fear is our greatest enemy. Can't let it get to you, you'll only bury yourself into a very dark hole. When we give out vital information (which, for the most part, is frightening), we want people to get angry, not scared. We should be standing up against this bullshit, not cowering down and hiding.

Here's the simple answer to what is taking place: We Are Losing Every Right And Freedom We Have As Human Beings.

That's not something to be scared about, it's something to retaliate against. I don't know if our voices can stop these bills from being signed into law... but we can fight against whatever unconstitutional laws they spit out at us. We need to stay in this mentality that WE CAN fight back if we need to. WE CAN change this nightmarish course to hell our country is taking. All it takes is for everyone to STAND UP AND USE YOUR VOICES.
 

TreesOfLife

Well-Known Member
It's hard not be get paranoid about this stuff. But fear is our greatest enemy. Can't let it get to you, you'll only bury yourself into a very dark hole. When we give out vital information (which, for the most part, is frightening), we want people to get angry, not scared. We should be standing up against this bullshit, not cowering down and hiding.

Here's the simple answer to what is taking place: We Are Losing Every Right And Freedom We Have As Human Beings.

That's not something to be scared about, it's something to retaliate against. I don't know if our voices can stop these bills from being signed into law... but we can fight against whatever unconstitutional laws they spit out at us. We need to stay in this mentality that WE CAN fight back if we need to. WE CAN change this nightmarish course to hell our country is taking. All it takes is for everyone to STAND UP AND USE YOUR VOICES.
And if all else fails we can use our second amendment rights.
 

Microdizzey

Well-Known Member
"The bill initially contained language that proposed a study for mandatory service for all young people in the United States, but this language was removed as the bill moved through the Senate and did not appear in the final version."

The senate passed the bill, left it as voluntary and made other changes as well. A NEW BILL HAS BEEN CREATED.

H.R. 1444: Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act

HR 1444 IH

111th CONGRESS


1st Session


H. R. 1444​


To establish the Congressional Commission on Civic Service to study methods of improving and promoting volunteerism and national service, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES


March 11, 2009


Mr. MCDERMOTT (for himself, Mr. MORAN of Virginia, Mr. RUPPERSBERGER, Mr. KENNEDY, and Mr. VAN HOLLEN) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Education and Labor


A BILL​


To establish the Congressional Commission on Civic Service to study methods of improving and promoting volunteerism and national service, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,



SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ‘Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act’.



SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

Congress finds the following:

(1) The social fabric of the United States is stronger if individuals in the United States are committed to protecting and serving our Nation by utilizing national service and volunteerism to overcome our civic challenges.


(2) A more engaged civic society will strengthen the Nation by bringing together people from diverse backgrounds and experiences to work on solutions to some of our Nation’s major challenges.


(3) Despite declines in civic health in the past 30 years, national service and volunteerism among the Nation’s youth are increasing, and existing national service and volunteer programs greatly enhance opportunities for youth to engage in civic activity.


(4) In addition to the benefits received by nonprofit organizations and society as a whole, volunteering and national service provide a variety of personal benefits and satisfaction and can lead to new paths of civic engagement, responsibility, and upward mobility.




SEC. 3. ESTABLISHMENT.

There is established in the legislative branch a commission to be known as the ‘Congressional Commission on Civic Service’ (in this Act referred to as the ‘Commission’).



SEC. 4. DUTIES.

(a) General Purpose- The purpose of the Commission is to gather and analyze information in order to make recommendations to Congress to--

(1) improve the ability of individuals in the United States to serve others and, by doing so, to enhance our Nation and the global community;


(2) train leaders in public service organizations to better utilize individuals committed to national service and volunteerism as they manage human and fiscal resources;


(3) identify and offer solutions to the barriers that make it difficult for some individuals in the United States to volunteer or perform national service; and


(4) build on the foundation of service and volunteer opportunities that are currently available.



(b) Specific Topics- In carrying out its general purpose under subsection (a), the Commission shall address and analyze the following specific topics:

(1) The level of understanding about the current Federal, State, and local volunteer programs and opportunities for service among individuals in the United States.


(2) The issues that deter volunteerism and national service, particularly among young people, and how the identified issues can be overcome.


(3) Whether there is an appropriate role for Federal, State, and local governments in overcoming the issues that deter volunteerism and national service and, if appropriate, how to expand the relationships and partnerships between different levels of government in promoting volunteerism and national service.


(4) Whether existing databases are effective in matching community needs to would-be volunteers and service providers.


(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.


(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.


(7) The need for a public service academy, a 4-year institution that offers a federally funded undergraduate education with a focus on training future public sector leaders.


(8) The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for primary and secondary school students and by raising awareness of existing incentives.


(9) The effectiveness of establishing a training program on college campuses to recruit and educate college students for national service.


(10) The effect on United States diplomacy and foreign policy interests of expanding service opportunities abroad, such as the Peace Corps, and the degree of need and capacity abroad for an expansion.


(11) The constraints that service providers, nonprofit organizations, and State and local agencies face in utilizing federally funded volunteer programs, and how these constraints can be overcome.


(12) Whether current Federal volunteer programs are suited to address the special skills and needs of senior volunteers, and if not, how these programs can be improved such that the Federal government can effectively promote service among the ‘baby boomer’ generation.



(c) Methodology-

(1) PUBLIC HEARINGS- The Commission shall conduct public hearings in various locations around the United States.


(2) REGULAR AND FREQUENT CONSULTATION- The Commission shall regularly and frequently consult with an advisory panel of members of Congress appointed for such purpose by the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the majority leader of the Senate.




SEC. 5. MEMBERSHIP.

(a) Number and Appointment-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission shall be composed of 8 members appointed as follows:

(A) 2 members appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives.


(B) 2 members appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives.


(C) 2 members appointed by the majority leader of the Senate.


(D) 2 members appointed by the minority leader of the Senate.



(2) QUALIFICATIONS- The members of the Commission shall consist of individuals who are of recognized standing and distinction in the areas of international public service, national public service, service-learning, local service, business, or academia.


(3) DEADLINE FOR APPOINTMENT- The members of the Commission shall be appointed not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.


(4) CHAIRPERSON- The Chairperson of the Commission shall be designated by the Speaker of the House of Representatives at the time of the appointment.



(b) Terms-

(1) IN GENERAL- The members of the Commission shall serve for the life of the Commission.


(2) VACANCIES- A vacancy in the Commission shall not affect the power of the remaining members to execute the duties of the Commission but any such vacancy shall be filled in the same manner in which the original appointment was made.



(c) Compensation-

(1) RATES OF PAY; TRAVEL EXPENSES- Each member shall serve without pay, except that each member shall receive travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, in accordance with applicable provisions under subchapter I of chapter 57 of title 5, United States Code.


(2) PROHIBITION OF COMPENSATION OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEES- Notwithstanding paragraph (1), any member of the Commission who is a full-time officer or employee of the United States may not receive additional pay, allowances, or benefits because of service on the Commission.



(d) Meeting Requirements-

(1) FREQUENCY-

(A) QUARTERLY MEETINGS- The Commission shall meet at least quarterly.


(B) ADDITIONAL MEETINGS- In addition to quarterly meetings, the Commission shall meet at the call of the Chairperson or a majority of its members.



(2) QUORUM- 5 members of the Commission shall constitute a quorum but a lesser number may hold hearings.


(3) MEETING BY TELEPHONE OR OTHER APPROPRIATE TECHNOLOGY- Members of the Commission are permitted to meet using telephones or other suitable telecommunications technologies provided that all members of the Commission can fully communicate with all other members simultaneously.




SEC. 6. DIRECTOR AND STAFF OF COMMISSION; EXPERTS AND CONSULTANTS.

(a) Director-

(1) APPOINTMENT- The Commission shall have a Director who shall be appointed by the Chairperson with the approval of the Commission.


(2) CREDENTIALS- The Director shall have credentials related to international public service, national public service, service-learning, or local service.


(3) SALARY- The Director shall be paid at a rate determined by the Chairperson with the approval of the Commission, except that the rate may not exceed the rate of basic pay for GS-15 of the General Schedule.



(b) Staff- With the approval of the Chairperson, the Director may appoint and fix the pay of additional qualified personnel as the Director considers appropriate.


(c) Experts and Consultants- With the approval of the Commission, the Director may procure temporary and intermittent services under section 3109(b) of title 5, United States Code, but at rates for individuals not to exceed the daily equivalent of the maximum annual rate of basic pay for GS-15 of the General Schedule.


(d) Staff of Federal Agencies- Upon request of the Commission, Chairperson, or Director, the head of any Federal department or agency may detail, on a reimbursable basis, any of the personnel of that department or agency to the Commission to assist it in carrying out its duties under this Act.



SEC. 7. POWERS OF COMMISSION.

(a) Hearings and Sessions- The Commission may, for the purpose of carrying out this Act, hold public hearings, sit and act at times and places, take testimony, and receive evidence as the Commission considers appropriate.


(b) Powers of Members and Agents- Any member or agent of the Commission may, if authorized by the Commission, take any action which the Commission is authorized to take by this section.


(c) Obtaining Official Data- Upon request of the Chairperson, the head of any department or agency shall furnish information to the Commission that the Commission deems necessary to enable it to carry out this Act.


(d) Physical Facilities and Equipment- The Architect of the Capitol, in consultation with the appropriate entities in the legislative branch, shall locate and provide suitable facilities and equipment for the operation of the Commission on a nonreimbursable basis.


(e) Administrative Support Services- Upon the request of the Commission, the Architect of the Capitol and the Administrator of General Services shall provide to the Commission on a nonreimbursable basis such administrative support services as the Commission may request in order for the Commission to carry out its responsibilities under this Act.



SEC. 8. REPORTS.

(a) Interim Report- The Commission shall submit an interim report on its activities to Congress not later than 20 months after the date of the enactment of this Act.


(b) Final Report-

(1) DEADLINE- The Commission shall submit a final report on its activities to Congress not later than 120 days after the submission of the interim report under subsection (a).


(2) CONTENTS- The final report shall contain a detailed statement of the findings and conclusions of the Commission, together with its recommendations for proposed legislation.




SEC. 9. TERMINATION.

The Commission shall terminate not later than 30 days after submitting its final report under section 8(b)(1).
 

Microdizzey

Well-Known Member
its "good citizen camp" or fema camp, either way your fucked lol.
Not if we fight back.



SEC. 4. DUTIES.

(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.


(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.


(7) The need for a public service academy, a 4-year institution that offers a federally funded undergraduate education with a focus on training future public sector leaders.


(:cool: The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for primary and secondary school students and by raising awareness of existing incentives.


(9) The effectiveness of establishing a training program on college campuses to recruit and educate college students for national service.





Their going to push this on young adults like it's the coolest thing to do. I'm sure pop culture will help lure them in.
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
I dunno, kids these days are too undisciplined, they don't even listen to their parents. I don't see them lining up to become Stepford citizens.

Plus it's a non paid job. Who the fucks going to take off for 3 - 6 months for a "job" that doesn't pay? Young people where I live only work because they want paid, they dont work because they think it's a fun thing to do.

It's either they have a car and they need money, or they want a car and they need money.
 

ilkhan

Well-Known Member
Yep Stazi

Ex-Stasi Spy Chief Markus Wolf Hired By Homeland Security?
Prison Planet | December 6 2004
Political analyst Al Martin, who has in the past proven accurate in getting ahead of the news curve, is reporting that Homeland Security have hired former Stasi head, the 'Silver Fox' Markus Wolf.
Martin states,
"Wolf is the man that effectively built the East German state intelligence operation’s internal directorate," Martin continues. "He turned half the population into informants. That is his specialty, is taking a population, constructing the various state divisions, mechanisms of control, in order to organize informants within the population. That is his real specialty. And that is precisely, as Primakov has intimated, why Wolf is being brought in. The regime knows that once all of Patriot II is in law and they begin working on Patriot III, they will then begin to establish the internal mechanism to coordinate, as an official function of state, a system of informants. Wolf’s speciality was to turn East Germany into the greatest and most efficient informant state ever created."
On a radio appearance earlier today Martin stated that the admission that Wolf would be hired was made in a BBC radio interview given by the former head of the KGB, General Yevgeni Primakov.
Martin had previously reported that Primakov had been hired as a consultant by the US Department of Homeland Security to implement CAPPS II and the national iD card system which he dubbed an 'internal passport'.
Sources close to Martin have told Alex Jones confidentially that the appointment of Wolf was also confirmed by a US Congressman.
During his radio interview, Martin outlined the immediate agenda. The remaining portions of the 9/11 Commission intelligence reccomendations which include the introduction of a national ID card would be passed and subsequently 'Patriot Act 3,' which would include the formal establishment of a Stasi-like domestic spying organisation which would be similar in scope to the TIPS program.
TIPS, which was supposedly nixed by Congress, would have recruited one in twenty-four Americans as domestic informants, a higher percentage than was used by the Stasi in East Germany.
Government funding was cut but private funding continues and the same program was intriduced under a number of sub-divisions including AmeriCorps, SecureCorps and the Highway Watch program.
After the passage of Patriot Act 3 Wolf and Primakov would be tapped for their expertise in further collapsing America into a surveillance grid police state. Primakov has openly stated that they are working on behalf of Bush and Cheney to complete the 'Sovietization of America.

A little paranoia isn't enouph Medman.​
 
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