h2o2 and organics.

ThorGanjason

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I've recently heard that its not a good idea to use hydrogen peroxide with organics. I'm assuming it kills the good microbes?

I hadnt even thought of this; I was letting my water sit in 5 gallon buckets with lids (heard to let tap water sit for the chlorine... Again, I heard it was so that the chlorine doesnt kill your good bacteria.

Since my buckets had lids and could not aerate, I was putting a couple cap fulls of hydrogen peroxide to help oxygen/ec. I'm running the roots organics line, I don't add peroxide into my nutrient mix, but I have been adding it to my pH'd water when I flush my soil.

Anyone that has any info on this deserves some rep, lol.
 

hexthat

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i doubt the diluted amounts you use of h2o2 would be a significant harm, and chlorine is an element plants need =\
 

ThorGanjason

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So why do people say to let tap water sit out for twenty four hours? if you aren't using ro water.

And everything ive read says that the plant needs 9 elements, 5 macro (nitrogen, phosphorous, potassium/potash, calcium and magnesium) and then 4 micronutrients (iron, copper, zinc, and molybdenum)
 

hexthat

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So why do people say to let tap water sit out for twenty four hours? if you aren't using ro water.

And everything ive read says that the plant needs 9 elements, 5 macro (nitrogen, phosphorous, potassium/potash, calcium and magnesium) and then 4 micronutrients (iron, copper, zinc, and molybdenum)
no clue, why don't you ask them... i never do

Cl helps plant metabolism, and Na helps elements move around... um and i dont use it but Si too ...these all are needed to make cannabis its full potential

wiki said:
Chlorine, as compounded chloride, is necessary for osmosis and ionic balance; it also plays a role in photosynthesis.



Sodium is involved in the regeneration of phosphoenolpyruvate in CAM and C4 plants. It can also substitute for potassium in some circumstances.
Essentiality
  • Essential for C4 plants rather C3
  • Substitution of K by Na: Plants can be classified into four groups:

  1. Group A—a high proportion of K can be replaced by Na and stimulate the growth, which cannot be achieved by the application of K
  2. Group B—specific growth responses to Na are observed but they are much less distinct
  3. Group C—Only minor substitution is possible and Na has no effect
  4. Group D—No substitution is occurred

  • Stimulate the growth—increase leaf area, stomata, improve the water balance
  • Na functions in metabolism

  1. C4 metabolism
  2. Impair the conversion of pyruvate to phosphoenol-pyruva
  3. Reduce the photosystem II activity and ultrastructural changes in mesophyll chloroplast

  • Replacing K functions

  1. Internal osmoticum
  2. Stomatal function
  3. Photosynthesis
  4. Counteraction in long distance transport
  5. Enzyme activation

  • Improves the crop quality e.g. improve the taste of carrots by increasing sucrose

In plants, silicon strengthens cell walls, improving plant strength, health, and productivity.[SUP][9][/SUP] Other benefits of silicon to plants include improved drought and frost resistance, decreased lodging potential and boosting the plant's natural pest and disease fighting systems.[SUP][10][/SUP] Silicon has also been shown to improve plant vigor and physiology by improving root mass and density, and increasing above ground plant biomass and crop yields.[SUP][9][/SUP] Although not considered an essential element for plant growth and development (except for specific plant species - sugarcane and members of the horsetail family),[SUP][11][/SUP] silicon is considered a beneficial element in many countries throughout the world[SUP][12][/SUP] due to its many benefits to numerous plant species when under abiotic or biotic stresses.[SUP][13][/SUP] Silicon is currently under consideration by the Association of American Plant Food Control Officials (AAPFCO) for elevation to the status of a "plant beneficial substance".[SUP][14][/SUP][SUP][15][/SUP]
Silicon is the second most abundant element in earth's crust. Higher plants differ characteristically in their capacity to take up silicon. Depending on their SiO[SUB]2[/SUB] content they can be divided into three major groups:

  • Wetland graminae-wetland rice, horsetail (10–15%)
  • Dryland graminae-sugar cane, most of the cereal species and few dicotyledons species (1–3%)
  • Most of dicotyledons especially legumes (<0.5%)
  • The long distance transport of Si in plants is confined to the xylem. Its distribution within the shoot organ is therefore determined by transpiration rate in the organs
  • The epidermal cell walls are impregnated with a film layer of silicon and effective barrier against water loss, cuticular transpiration rate in the organs.
Si can stimulate growth and yield by several indirect actions. These include decreasing mutual shading by improving leaf erectness, decreasing susceptibility to lodging, preventing Mn and Fe toxicity.
there are a bunch of beneficial elements that plants dont need but Bactria do
 

jondamon

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I use GROWTH TECHNOLOGY LIQUID SILICON.

The only reason for allowing tap water to sit for 24hours IMO is to gain the true pH of the water.


If you leave a glass of water out stirring it occasionally over 24hours. Its pH will have changed.


I personally don't leave tap water to sit out before use.


Also if your water company uses chloramines instead of chlorine then these dont dissipate out of the water.


Water has a negligible impact on beneficials in the rootzone and they quickly multiply.


h2o2 however can have a massive impact in larger quantities.



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