HACKERS REVEAL!! Climate change scientists have been manipulating and fixing data

CrackerJax

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To be fair Johnny, there must be massive anti spin being played out there right now. Believers of the canard of global warming are feeling threatened right now (which might be an accurate assessment).


Ur article is the real deal however.
 

doc111

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If this info is going to hurt the govenments stance on climate change or the industries which are in bed with our congressmen you can be they are gonna spin the hell outta this. :fire:
 

Big P

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ok its on fox right now they call it climategate


it seems thousands more emails have just been released

now they segway about the cap and trade bill gov is trying to rahm through congress, they got a cap and trade proponent on, he getting fileted
 

Big P

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now they say there is a group planning to sue NASA over thier bogus climate temp figures
 

doc111

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I really hope this derails this cap and trade b.s. The only thing this will accomplish is it's going to put people out of work and make cost of living go up. I can't afford to live right now as it is!:shock:
 

jeffchr

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There was a similar story on the news (had to be CNN or MSNBC because that is what I watch). Not sure if it was directly related to this thread or not. Evidently, the released temperature change data from a research group intentionally only used data from the last decade or so, ignoring prior years because those years experienced declining or level temperatures.

"Global Warming" is only one aspect of climate change. An extreme warming of the temperature would result in an average 3 deg increase globally. Although more severe changes would occur in some regions, both up and down. One should not look at temperature to measure the effects of climate change.

The predicted results of climate change are stronger storms, increased drought (with accompanying stronger and larger firestorms), reduction in the size and health of coral reefs, polar ice reductions, glacier retreat. All of these effects are evident today and in most cases, at a rate exceeding the predictions of 10 years ago.

It is unfortunate that the impassioned research personnel feel the need to market their findings with manipulated data. I assume they must believe that the public relates to temperature changes when it comes to climate change.

This newest story is once again, much to do about nothing. From what I've seen so far, the data in the story similarly relates to global temperature changes only. This story is a mere distraction for climate change research. A bit of a bigger PR problem for climate change advocates.
 

CrackerJax

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Remember the famous "hockey stick" data?

It has since been "lost". Ooops, first they flat out refused to release it and then, it's lost.

Crackpot science. Some call it Environmentalism.
 

Big P

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The Hockey Stick was never accurate--and CRU knew it

November 22, 11:34 PM
Essex County Conservative Examiner
Terry Hurlbut


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Hockey Stick graph (WMO)

The infamous "hockey stick" temperature graph purporting to show a runaway acceleration in global temperatures beginning in 1850 was never accurate--and the Climatic Research Unit knew it wasn't accurate when they published it.
This is the only reasonable conclusion from an analysis of another data set, sent in 1999 by Tim Osborne to Michael Mann, and copied to Phil Jones and Keith Briffa, the director and associate director of the CRU.

The "hockey stick" graph (above), which appeared on the cover of the WMO Statement on the Status of the Global Climate in 1999, is now known to have its basis in this e-mail (File 0942777075.txt) from Phil Jones to Ray Bradley, Michael Mann, and Malcolm Hughes:
Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,
Once Tim's got a diagram here we'll send that either later today or first thing tomorrow.
I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline. Mike's series got the annual land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.
Thanks for the comments, Ray.
Cheers
Phil
But what most readers do not generally appreciate is that, one month earlier, Dr. Tim Osborn, also of the CRU, sent an e-mail to Michael Mann (File 0939154709.txt) containing two columns of data from his study of tree-ring densities. That e-mail begins thus:
Keith has asked me to send you a timeseries for the IPCC multi-proxy reconstruction figure, to replace the one you currently have. The data are attached to this e-mail. They go from 1402 to 1995, although we usually stop the series in 1960 because of the recent non-temperature signal that is superimposed on the tree-ring data that we use. I haven't put a 40-yr smoothing through them - I thought it best if you were to do this to ensure the same filter was used for all curves.
After the last paragraph, his data set appears. Associated with each year is a quantity called a temperature anomaly, which was the difference between the average temperature in that year from a baseline average of temperatures in the period 1961-1990. Note carefully the emphasized line about stopping the series in 1960.

Average temps from Tim Osborn's tree-ring data

A line graph of those data, prepared by this Examiner using the OpenOffice spreadsheet program and employing cubic-spline smoothing from one year to the next, appears at right. This graph shows a clear decline in temperatures beginning in 1960, to a low reached in 1978, followed by an uptrend, and then another downtrend.
Residents of New England should remember that the winter of 1977-78 was especially severe. Indeed, then-Governor Ella Grasso of Connecticut declared a total ban on motorized traffic on the streets and highways of Connecticut, that lasted for a day and a half and forced a cancellation of most classes during the full day at Yale College, where this Examiner was then a sophomore student. While most students lived on campus in those days, most faculty did not, and they found themselves unable to travel to the campus to teach their classes--except for graduate-student teaching assistants who also lived on campus, and at least one instructor who, on the morning of the second day, traveled from Hartford, CT, to New Haven, CT, wearing cross-country skis. The travel ban ended in the late morning of the second day, and one other instructor who had managed to travel to New Haven in time to teach a noon class, memorably quoted Herodotus' famous description of the Persian postal express, which may be seen along the roofline of the New York City Post Office:

Climatic Research Unit (Photo courtesy CRU)

Neither snow, nor rain, nor heat, nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.
That this winter corresponded exactly to the low point of the Osborn data set can scarcely be coincidental. Thus the Osborn data set is entirely in accord with this 1977-78 experience and utterly belies the "Hockey Stick." And as mentioned, the records show that Phil Jones was copied on that data set one month before he sent his e-mail describing the production of the Hockey Stick.
This, even more than the dubious choice-of-phrase used by Jones in his e-mail, constitutes clear evidence of wrongful data manipulation. Both Jones and Osborn, not to mention Mann, Briffa, Bradley, and Hughes, have a lot of explaining to do.
 

Big P

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Tuesday, November 24, 2009

Will the Climate Conspiracy at CRU Curb Dishonest Scientists? [Candace de Russy]

Peter Wood and Ashley Thorne of the National Association of Scholars analyze the deliberate distortion of data on climate warming by faculty members and researchers at the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU).

The NAS has a unique perspective on this scandal:
Our work on sustainability, however, has brought us into contact with scientists who have complained bitterly about the strong-arm tactics used by global warming theory proponents to impede other lines of research. It has become increasingly apparent that the ideological fervency that NAS has documented in the sustainability movement has extended into the scientific journals and funding agencies.
Wood and Thorne hold out hope that these scandalous revelations about CRU
will alter the burden of proof. From this point on, proponents of global warming theory will receive no benefit of the doubt. Wanton extrapolations, reliance on models in which data can be endlessly readjusted to fit the thesis, and attempts to stigmatize critics as scientifically illiterate will have to stop. Ad hominem attacks on critics suggesting that they are in the hire of “big oil” or other interests will be seen for the shabby evasions they always were. Let’s hope that the result of this scandal is a restoration of principled inquiry to an important public policy debate.
I'm not so sure. The Left has huge sums of money and other incentives riding on their anthropogenic narrative of global warming and will fight back hard. Maybe these "scientists" will just be more stealthy in their massaging of data and communications on the subject.

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Woodstock.Hippie

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I believe that if everyone focuses their minds on re-freezing the glaciers, they will still keep melting at an accelerating pace.

I chuckled at the creation of the new government division created to deal with financing the mitigation of the effects of climate change in the national parks.

The effects of pine beetles are devastating, and the brown bears and grizzlies are wandering much more due to hunger.

Few people understand the ramifications to life on our planet as ocean acidity levels continue to increase.

CO2 + H2O = Carbonic Acid = fizzing calcium carbonate shells for diatoms.

Most of the biomass on this human planet lives in the top few feet of the oceans where the light is strongest, much of it inside little calcium carbonate shells being pummeled by increasing ultraviolet due to decreasing ozone.

Folks, it is happening.

No one is going change that.

Get ready

or don't.
 

loke

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Dude, it's all just a bunch of fear mongering from both sides. These people are using capitalism to feed off of public panic.

I'm just gonna do what I've been doing.
 

Woodstock.Hippie

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The climate is NOT affected by burning fossil fuels.
The climate is NOT affected by burning fossil fuels.
The climate is NOT affected by burning fossil fuels.
The climate is NOT affected by burning fossil fuels.
 

CrackerJax

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Here's an up to date article from the Washington Times. Hardly a right wing paper. Not even close. One might say they've actually bumped into a bit of real journalism.

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The global-cooling cover-up



Climate-change researchers admit their data is 'garbage'


The climate-gate revelations have exposed an unprecedented coordinated attempt by academics to distort research for political ends. Anyone interested in accurate science should be appalled at the manipulation of data "to hide the decline [in temperature]" and deletion of e-mail exchanges and data so as not to reveal information that would support global-warming skeptics. These hacks are not just guilty of bad science. In the United Kingdom, deleting e-mail messages to prevent their disclosure from a Freedom of Information Act request is a crime.
The story has gotten worse since the global-cooling cover-up was exposed through a treasure trove of leaked e-mails a week ago. The Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia has been incredibly influential in the global-warming debate. The CRU claims the world's largest temperature data set, and its research and mathematical models form the basis of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) 2007 report.
Professor Phil Jones, head of the CRU and contributing author to the United Nation's IPCC report chapter titled "Detection of Climate Change and Attribution of Causes," says he "accidentally" (:lol:) deleted some raw temperature data used to construct the aggregate temperature data CRU distributed. If you believe that, you're probably watching too many Al Gore videos.
Mr. Jones is the same professor who warned that global-warming skeptics "have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than send to anyone."
Other revelations hit at the very core of the global-warming debate. The leaked e-mails indicate that the people at the CRU can't even figure out how their aggregate data was put together. CRU activists claimed that they took individual temperature readings at individual stations and averaged the information out to produce temperature readings over larger areas. One of the leaked documents states that their aggregation procedure "renders the station counts totally meaningless." The benefit: "So, we can have a proper result, but only by including a load of garbage!"
Academics around the world who have spent years working on papers using this data must be in full panic mode. By the admission of the global-warming theocracy's own self-appointed experts, the data they have been using is simply "garbage."
For global-warming advocates, there is an additional problem: The aggregated data appear to have been constructed to show an increase in temperatures. CBS' Declan McCullagh finds that the computer code contains programmer-written notes addressed to themselves or future people who will be working with the program. The notes include these revealing instructions: "Apply a VERY ARTIFICIAL correction for decline!!" and "Low pass filtering at century and longer time scales never gets rid of the trend - so eventually I start to scale down the 120-yr low pass time series to mimic the effect of removing/adding longer time scales!"
The programmers apparently had to try at least a couple of adjustments before they could get their aggregated data to show an increase in temperatures.
Other global-warming advocates privately acknowledge what they won't concede publicly, that temperature changes haven't been consistent with their models. Kevin E. Trenberth, head of the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research and a prominent man-made-global-warming advocate, wrote in one of the discovered e-mails: "The fact is we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't."
Still other e-mails document how global-warming advocates tried to silence academic journals and professors who questioned whether there is significant man-made global warming.
We read and reread these CRU documents in stunned amazement. But rather than investigating all the evidence of so much academic fraud and intellectual wrongdoing, the University of East Anglia is denying there is a problem. Professor Trevor Davies, the school's pro vice chancellor for research, issued a defensive statement on Tuesday claiming: "The publication of a selection of the emails and data stolen from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) has led to some questioning of the climate science research published by CRU and others. There is nothing in the stolen material which indicates that peer-reviewed publications by CRU, and others, on the nature of global warming and related climate change are not of the highest-quality of scientific investigation and interpretation."
Unlike these global-warming propagandists, we expect research to be done in the open. Scientists who refuse to share their data, who plot to destroy information and fail to tell other scientists how their results were calculated should be severely punished.

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Cancel that Copenhagen BS!!!!

Oh, and ..... I told you so. nayh nyah nyah (wet raspberry)
 

doc111

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I believe George Carlin said, and I'm paraphrasing: We are so arrogant to think that we are going to destroy the earth. If things become too unbalanced the earth will simply shake us off like a bad case of the flu. I think we need to get off our high horse and realize that we need to take steps to get off of fossil fuels, not because of climate change but because it's a road to nowhere. Fact is we are going to run out of oil and coal. Plus, why are we still lining the pockets of Arab princes and the people who hate us?:leaf:
 

CrackerJax

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Well, the latest estimates show us having enough oil for 100 years. I do agree however that importing oil needs to stop. If anything besides simple oil independence, it's far better for the environment. Most oil spills happen because of tankers..... more importation means more oil spills.
 

Big P

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Climategate: five Aussie MPs lead the way by resigning in disgust over carbon tax


By James Delingpole Politics Last updated: November 26th, 2009
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Australia is leading the revolt against Al Gore’s great big AGW conspiracy – just as the Aussie geologist and AGW sceptic Professor Ian Plimer predicted it would.

ABC news reports that five frontbenchers from Australia’s opposition Liberal party have resigned their portfolios rather than follow their leader Malcolm Turnbull in voting with Kevin Rudd’s Government on a new Emissions Trading Scheme.
The Liberal Party is in turmoil with the resignations of five frontbenchers from their portfolios this afternoon in protest against the emissions trading scheme.
Tony Abbott, Sophie Mirabella, Tony Smith and Senators Nick Minchin and Eric Abetz have all quit their portfolios because they cannot vote for the legislation.
Senate whip Stephen Parry has also relinquished his position.
The ETS is Australia’s version of America’s proposed Cap and Trade and the EU’s various carbon reduction schemes: a way of taxing business on its CO2 output. As Professor Plimer pointed out when I interviewed him in the summer, this threatens to cause enormous economic damage in Australia’s industrial and mining heartlands, not least because both are massively dependent on Australia’s vast reserves of coal. It is correspondingly extremely unpopular with Aussie’s outside the pinko, libtard metropolitan fleshpots.

Though the ETS squeaked narrowly through Australia’s House of Representatives, its Senate is proving more robust – thanks not least to the widespread disgust by the many Senators who have read Professor Plimer’s book Heaven And Earth at the dishonesty and corruption of the AGW industry. If the Senate keeps rejecting the scheme, then the Australian government will be forced to dissolve.

For the rapidly increasing number of us who believe that AGW is little more than a scheme by bullying eco-fascists to deprive us of our liberty, by big government to spread its controlling tentacles into every aspect our lives, and scheming industrialists such as Al Gore to enrich themselves through carbon trading, this principled act by Australia’s Carbon Five is fantastic news.

Where they lead, the rest of the world’s politicians will eventually be forced to follow: their appalled electorates will make sure of it.
 

DWR

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who gives a shit if its affected by them fuels. but we can all agree its changing.
:D
 
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