Had to do an emergency chop- I hope this doesnt taste like shit...

wagontail

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i see what you mean but listen for just a sec. so the 'nutes' store up in the buds and when you flush then does it actually go into the buds and wash them out? how exactly does it work? because in my mind im seeing it different than you are. i would like to come to a concensus.
Well to use a previous poster's example, arsenic wouldn't flush. It's a relatively immobile biologically. Once it is taken into a plant or animal, it will stay there without the use of some sort of chelating agent. Now, think about mobile atoms and molecules like nitrogen, phosphorus, calcium, etc. If you're using a hydroponic system where you are in complete control of nutrients, then when you cut off nutrients, what happens to the mobile stuff? Well, at that point, the plant will begin to starve, and what happens to a living organism when it begins to starve? In people, the response is to horde nutrients and reduce metabolism, among other things. It only makes sense that by starving a plant, you will probably have a poorer outcome than if you had continued feeding.

Again, I've never run an experiment with flushed and unflushed to see if that's the case, so don't take what I say as gospel. But these responses are pretty standard among all living things, so it would be a shock if it weren't the case with this marijuana.
 

djruiner

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heres where im confused....

so the soil gets watered/nuted. the roots carry it to the plants stems and then leaves and then the buds.

now when you stop giving nutes/flush, what happens to the nutes that are in the buds already?
all parts of the buds have moisture in it...now where is most of the water coming from...the stems.when the stems have nothing but fresh water in it...it evaporates through the bud and some directly through the bud it brings in fresh water from the stem.thats the whole reason for the dry and cure process...to get the water out of the stems and the buds.to remove the water and leave behind sugars.thats what makes it taste better and not be as harse.id rather remove fresh water from the stems and buds then water with nutes in it
 

WickedPagan

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well said and its what i wanted to say but just like wickedpagan said im not very smart and i couldnt articulate my thoughts well enough to spit it out. thanks for that.

wickedpagan, thanks for the water cure suggestion, ill consider it. and thanks also for pointing out my grammar mistake
I didn't say anything about water curing and to the person who said that the weed I smoked that was wet is a true fucking idiot. Unless you were there and seen it how could you say it was wet? You can't even fucking smoke it if it's wet, it just will not burn properly. I smoked weed that was slightly wet and still burned down to ash.
 

ElectricPineapple

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i didnt flush any of my plants, but before they were cured, they were harsh, and didnt burn that well. and talk about solid black ass ha. since they have been cured, they burn great, taste great, and get you high as a kite. and GREY ASH

that IS a myth, and flushing is truly only necessary in hydro IMO. but not to the point the bud doesnt burn "right"
 

whats ittoyabub

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Well to use a previous poster's example, arsenic wouldn't flush. It's a relatively immobile biologically. Once it is taken into a plant or animal, it will stay there without the use of some sort of chelating agent. Now, think about mobile atoms and molecules like nitrogen, phosphorus, calcium, etc. If you're using a hydroponic system where you are in complete control of nutrients, then when you cut off nutrients, what happens to the mobile stuff? Well, at that point, the plant will begin to starve, and what happens to a living organism when it begins to starve? In people, the response is to horde nutrients and reduce metabolism, among other things. It only makes sense that by starving a plant, you will probably have a poorer outcome than if you had continued feeding.

Again, I've never run an experiment with flushed and unflushed to see if that's the case, so don't take what I say as gospel. But these responses are pretty standard among all living things, so it would be a shock if it weren't the case with this marijuana.
this aint about yield, its if nutes will ruin smoke since he chopped without flush son
 

Michael Phelps

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Haha wow this thread has been very informative! Really i appreciate the conflict of the issue because it really allows you to see both sides of the spectrum and make your own choice..

My pakistan ryder is an auto flower thats probably only going to produce from 10-20 grams of herb so im not to worried about the "health" reasons in that small amount, if i was yielding more that would def be a concern.. At this point i really just wanted to make sure i didnt have a really shitty tasting herb..

Btw i did do a fan leaf test before i chopped it, i read somewhere else that by biting the stem i would be able to tell if it tasted more like water or chemical's, it honestly tasted exactly like water so maybe im alright...

Ill most def let you guys know how it tastes after a good dry/cure..


Keep the info coming people..
 

whats ittoyabub

New Member
Haha wow this thread has been very informative! Really i appreciate the conflict of the issue because it really allows you to see both sides of the spectrum and make your own choice..

My pakistan ryder is an auto flower thats probably only going to produce from 10-20 grams of herb so im not to worried about the "health" reasons in that small amount, if i was yielding more that would def be a concern.. At this point i really just wanted to make sure i didnt have a really shitty tasting herb..

Btw i did do a fan leaf test before i chopped it, i read somewhere else that by biting the stem i would be able to tell if it tasted more like water or chemical's, it honestly tasted exactly like water so maybe im alright...

Ill most def let you guys know how it tastes after a good dry/cure..


Keep the info coming people..
good shit, as long as ur smoke is tasty its all good, but really guys flush ur shit, just like a toilet. +rep
 

WickedPagan

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good shit, as long as ur smoke is tasty its all good, but really guys flush ur shit, just like a toilet. +rep
lol, yeah for sure.. as I can take a part of a plant that was flushed quick dry it within 20-30 minutes with no cure and it'll smoke smooth (just not as smooth as it should be) and still burn down to gray ash.. and if you have to cure it to get those results than it just proves the point that they do retain nutrients just because you let it cure until everything bad starts to break down does not make flushing a myth, just think the cleaner it starts out the cleaner it will be in the end. Even if everything did brake down to the point where it's no longer noticeable I could bet that there are sill shit left over that you're smoking.
 

rzza

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i didnt flush any of my plants, but before they were cured, they were harsh, and didnt burn that well. and talk about solid black ass ha. since they have been cured, they burn great, taste great, and get you high as a kite. and GREY ASH

that IS a myth, and flushing is truly only necessary in hydro IMO. but not to the point the bud doesnt burn "right"
i wont say it ...im not an ass like that.


fuck it yeah i am
I TOLD YA SO!
 

Michael Phelps

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^yeah man i def plan on it and have every time before.. This time it was the choice of shit my bud is getting crispy or perhaps it could taste like shit but atleast ill have something...

Thanks for the reps man!
 

whats ittoyabub

New Member
lol, yeah for sure.. as I can take a part of a plant that was flushed quick dry it within 20-30 minutes with no cure and it'll smoke smooth (just not as smooth as it should be) and still burn down to gray ash.. and if you have to cure it to get those results than it just proves the point that they do retain nutrients just because you let it cure until everything bad starts to break down does not make flushing a myth, just think the cleaner it starts out the cleaner it will be in the end. Even if everything did brake down to the point where it's no longer noticeable I could bet that there are sill shit left over that you're smoking.
id rep ya agin but cant hahah, thats to the point, wait 2 weeks to cure and have most the chems decompose or flush and wait 4-5 days to smoke DDDDAAAAAAAANKKKK
 

WickedPagan

Active Member
i wont say it ...im not an ass like that.


fuck it yeah i am
I TOLD YA SO!
I'm still waiting for you to tell me why I can take a flushed plant and not cure it and not get those nasty results.... this is like arguing with a Christian you're ignoring the part of the story that you're too biased to consider. Everyone saying that they did not flush had these results before proper curing and drying so is my plants genetics some kind of a one in a kind miracle?
 

WickedPagan

Active Member
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So why don´t tomato growers flush - I certainly can´t taste fertiliser when I eat tomatoes. Just make sure you dry and cure it well for a sweet smoke. Sounds to me as if you were smoking wet weed.
Who feeds tomato plants like bud plants anyways? And how in the hell can you smoke wet weed? It sounds to me like I was smoking unflushed weed that wasn't cured long enough for all the shit to brake down. What is it with you people and smoking wet weed, are you retarded?
 

ElectricPineapple

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another thing to think about, a greater grower told me. in soil (especially organic) flushing 7-10 days is unnecessary. you cannot get the nutrients out of the soil, but a good flush a couple days before harvest is a good idea. this does not take the nutrients out, but takes out the excess salt buildup in the soil. its actually a good idea to do this a few times during flowering, to remove excess salts.

no on the issue of nutrients evaporating from the bud, into the air, is just false. evaporation doesnt work that way. take the evaporation you would get form a lake. when the water in the lake evaporates, only H2O is evaporated not the metals or contaminates in the water, thus creating pure water. this is the same process used to distill water, but the water is boiled to speed up the evaporation process.

Now, lets apply what we know about evaporation, to buds, instead of a lake. when the moisture evaporates out of the buds, only water escapes. no the heavy nutrients, and metal micros. this is the reason flushing is pointless. additionally, nutrients are stored in the leafs, and no matter what you do, you cant flush the LEAVES
 

djruiner

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another thing to think about, a greater grower told me. in soil (especially organic) flushing 7-10 days is unnecessary. you cannot get the nutrients out of the soil, but a good flush a couple days before harvest is a good idea. this does not take the nutrients out, but takes out the excess salt buildup in the soil. its actually a good idea to do this a few times during flowering, to remove excess salts.

no on the issue of nutrients evaporating from the bud, into the air, is just false. evaporation doesnt work that way. take the evaporation you would get form a lake. when the water in the lake evaporates, only H2O is evaporated not the metals or contaminates in the water, thus creating pure water. this is the same process used to distill water, but the water is boiled to speed up the evaporation process.

Now, lets apply what we know about evaporation, to buds, instead of a lake. when the moisture evaporates out of the buds, only water escapes. no the heavy nutrients, and metal micros. this is the reason flushing is pointless. additionally, nutrients are stored in the leafs, and no matter what you do, you cant flush the LEAVES
never said that the nutes evaporated through the buds...i said that the fresh water in the stems evaporates through the buds....you might want to read again before throwing your 2 cents in.if you have flushed it a few good times..then at the end only fresh water gets evaporated through the buds in its curing process.and its not going to flush it ALL out...but enough to make it matter
 

ElectricPineapple

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yes i understand that, but you cant flush nutrients out of the soil, or the leaves. leaves have a lot of nutrients in them. thats why big nice healthy fan leaves are good. if you want to flush do it. in the last week, adding more nutes, probably wont help or hurt. yield or quality wise. to be really honest, flushing doesnt matter either way. flush if you want, but if you dry and cure properly, you wont be able tell a difference between flushed and un flushed bud. but you have to understand, when that fresh water gets evaporated form flushing, there are still all of the nutrients ( that dont get evaporated) stay inside the bud. flushing is altering the soil, not the plant. you are taking salts out of the soil. not nutrients.
 

WickedPagan

Active Member
another thing to think about, a greater grower told me. in soil (especially organic) flushing 7-10 days is unnecessary. you cannot get the nutrients out of the soil, but a good flush a couple days before harvest is a good idea. this does not take the nutrients out, but takes out the excess salt buildup in the soil. its actually a good idea to do this a few times during flowering, to remove excess salts.

no on the issue of nutrients evaporating from the bud, into the air, is just false. evaporation doesnt work that way. take the evaporation you would get form a lake. when the water in the lake evaporates, only H2O is evaporated not the metals or contaminates in the water, thus creating pure water. this is the same process used to distill water, but the water is boiled to speed up the evaporation process.

Now, lets apply what we know about evaporation, to buds, instead of a lake. when the moisture evaporates out of the buds, only water escapes. no the heavy nutrients, and metal micros. this is the reason flushing is pointless. additionally, nutrients are stored in the leafs, and no matter what you do, you cant flush the LEAVES
Who said anything about evaporating nutrients? I think you came up with that on your own. I know I said chemicals can brake down over time still leaving behind other elements (that's not evaporation, evaporation is a chemical change of a liquid turning into a gas) decomposition of chemicals is a completely different process all together. Like the other guy said you might want to read first and then comment. Also yellowing of the leaves is in a way "flushing" the leaves as the plant feeds off the rest of the nutrients in the leaves. I cannot believe you would compare curing (in a sealed container) to evaporating (heating to the point where the gas escapes into the air) If you couldn't remove any nutrients by flushing then it would be pointless to flush to correct over feeding. You might want to do some research because I'm pretty certain that the fertilizers are water soluble. Which means they can be flushed out.

..flushing is altering the soil, not the plant. you are taking salts out of the soil. not nutrients.
When you flush the nutrients out of the soil it tells the plant that it needs to start feeding off the leaves. When this happens you are altering the plant as it develops nutrient deficiencies BECAUSE THEY WERE FLUSHED OUT.
 

Michael Phelps

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Alright alright alright... This is what i will do for everyone... to clear everything up.. I have 3 purple jems about 2 or so weeks from harvest, they have all the same specs, nutes, water, soil, light, etc.. Im going to cut one down unflushed and one down flushed and see if i can tell a difference in the taste..

This will obviously not be able to determine the health risk's etc, mostly just the quality of smoke!
 
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