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What is the 'natural' environment to follow:

  • Genetic environment (where its parent was grown)

    Votes: 1 50.0%

  • Natural environment (natural weed from the ground)

    Votes: 1 50.0%
  • Total voters
    2
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orikeii

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Today, i sat there asking myself a serious of 'philosophical' questions in regards to cannabis and its growing methods regarding genetics after randomly doing a search for 'DWC light randomly turned on during flower' (no this didnt happen, i over research incase of the worst lmao)

One comment i read 'it sees moonlight, thunder rain etc in its natural habitat so a little light outside of schedule shouldnt be of too much harm'
-there were more comments about it becoming hermie lol

Anyhow BS aside...

Grab 2 seeds from the exact same plant

Plant one indoors
Plant one outdoors

Over a period of 10-20 years continue to cultivate that same strain and keep one DWC and one Outdoor

Now throw a seed from the DWC in an outdoor grow - visa versa - im almost positive, neither will grow properly due to GENETICS

So when people are talking about cannabis and its "natural environment" what do they truly mean

Also, seeing as theres different cannabis strains, do these ultimately get a scientific name or is just another cannabis plant (every other plants strains have sub names)
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
orikeii said:
Today, i sat there asking myself a serious of 'philosophical' questions in regards to cannabis and its growing methods regarding genetics after randomly doing a search for 'DWC light randomly turned on during flower' (no this didnt happen, i over research incase of the worst lmao)

One comment i read 'it sees moonlight, thunder rain etc in its natural habitat so a little light outside of schedule shouldnt be of too much harm'
-there were more comments about it becoming hermie lol

Anyhow BS aside...

Grab 2 seeds from the exact same plant

Plant one indoors
Plant one outdoors

Over a period of 10-20 years continue to cultivate that same strain and keep one DWC and one Outdoor

Now throw a seed from the DWC in an outdoor grow - visa versa - im almost positive, neither will grow properly due to GENETICS

So when people are talking about cannabis and its "natural environment" what do they truly mean

Also, seeing as theres different cannabis strains, do these ultimately get a scientific name or is just another cannabis plant (every other plants strains have sub names)
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every other plant on the planet isn't interbred by every bonehead growing it, 90% of the "unique" strains out there aren't unique at all, there's 100 other versions of the same cross with a different name, "bred" by a different gomer....
and it wont take 20 years, it'll take about 2-3 before they have a lot of differences piling up. plants can mutate a lot faster than people. within 2 to 3 generations, significant changes will occur in plant structure, leaf shape and density, root growth....plants take advantage of their environments, if they can.
 
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orikeii

Member
So, are you agreeing that a DWC strain after cultivated and grown DWC for many years will have DWC as its natural environmemt rather than outdoor
And yes, totally agree with the strain bollocks, i was more talking of the 60-70's when it wasnt as common to cross breed (as far as im aware) you know, the true OG's
White widow, purple haze etc etc
 
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orikeii

Member
macsnax said:
Yes plants will become acclimated to their environment. And maybe..... you should put the blunt down and step away. :eyesmoke:
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Yep! Exactly what i thought tbh, so many people over the internet truly believe that because it was found outdoors in the beggining its natural environment will always be outdoors, but shit becomes climatised to there environment


Heeeeeence, why im growing from my brain and only taking knowledge from the net with a pinch of salt - you can see it infront of you no one else can :p
 
Indacouch

Indacouch

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Most places you get seeds from will tell you where they do best. Indoors,outdoors,greenhouse. I've taken strains that supposedly were only for indoor and did great in my green house on several occasions. The only time I see issues is when people take young plants started indoors and toss em in a hole outdoors without hardening them off or letting them get acclimated to their new environment. Other than that I've never had issue.


Please fulfill @neosapien request above. It will help us help you. He's actually a moderator here. They just haven't changed his Avi yet because it's a long grueling process.
 
tstick

tstick

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You don't need to wait 10-20 years for this to happen. All plants are constantly adapting to their environment -as are ALL living things on Earth. As the environment changes, so do the adaptations.

But it is the way the seed is selected that will ultimately decide how a plant will grow in a given set of environmental conditions. The seeds produced, will each carry slightly-different, potentially-adaptive traits within their genetic material. By selecting seedlings based on, say, growth rate, and disregarding other seedlings that don't display the same growth rate, then you, as the selector, are responsible for the evolution of that line. Yes, you might get the seedlings that grow the fastest....but you might also get plants that are less stinky and flavorful. The seedlings you threw out may have been the ones to have that magical combination of goodies!

In nature, what we know as "landrace" strains are those strains that come from specific areas of the world and ones that had adapted to those growing conditions and, thus, had become "pure" in their expression of traits -such as growth rate, smell, look, etc. There was a consistency to the plants because of this.

But, as time went on, growers began combining genetics -such as crossing a Thai seed with a Mexican seed....completely different environmental backgrounds...So the resulting plants that came from these crosses, also carried within them, a greater amount of potential adaptive qualities -some good and some not no much. Depending on the goal of the breeder (if there even was a goal to begin with), we either got "the best of both worlds" or maybe we got a bunch of tasteless, odorless, bunk-weed!

My guess is that most breeders select the fastest-growing, most vigorous seedlings and cull the rest....and whatever you get from that selection is based upon nothing other than growth rate. It's just not practical/feasible for most growers to grow out EVERYTHING and then select. In some cases, I'm sure that there are (what would have been) fantastic plants -but ones that didn't express initial vigorous growth, so they got trashed. :(
 
Indacouch

Indacouch

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tstick said:
You don't need to wait 10-20 years for this to happen. All plants are constantly adapting to their environment -as are ALL living things on Earth. As the environment changes, so do the adaptations.

But it is the way the seed is selected that will ultimately decide how a plant will grow in a given set of environmental conditions. The seeds produced, will each carry slightly-different, potentially-adaptive traits within their genetic material. By selecting seedlings based on, say, growth rate, and disregarding other seedlings that don't display the same growth rate, then you, as the selector, are responsible for the evolution of that line. Yes, you might get the seedlings that grow the fastest....but you might also get plants that are less stinky and flavorful. The seedlings you threw out may have been the ones to have that magical combination of goodies!

In nature, what we know as "landrace" strains are those strains that come from specific areas of the world and ones that had adapted to those growing conditions and, thus, had become "pure" in their expression of traits -such as growth rate, smell, look, etc. There was a consistency to the plants because of this.

But, as time went on, growers began combining genetics -such as crossing a Thai seed with a Mexican seed....completely different environmental backgrounds...So the resulting plants that came from these crosses, also carried within them, a greater amount of potential adaptive qualities -some good and some not no much. Depending on the goal of the breeder (if there even was a goal to begin with), we either got "the best of both worlds" or maybe we got a bunch of tasteless, odorless, bunk-weed!

My guess is that most breeders select the fastest-growing, most vigorous seedlings and cull the rest....and whatever you get from that selection is based upon nothing other than growth rate. It's just not practical/feasible for most growers to grow out EVERYTHING and then select. In some cases, I'm sure that there are (what would have been) fantastic plants -but ones that didn't express initial vigorous growth, so they got trashed. :(
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My biggest bud to date was from a plant I neglected in the corner because she was a runt compared to her sisters. Boy did she prove me wrong with a basket ball size bud at the end. Good point.
 
Singlemalt

Singlemalt

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orikeii said:
Yep! Exactly what i thought tbh, so many people over the internet truly believe that because it was found outdoors in the beggining its natural environment will always be outdoors, but shit becomes climatised to there environment


Heeeeeence, why im growing from my brain and only taking knowledge from the net with a pinch of salt - you can see it infront of you no one else can :p
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Oooo, Lysenkoism returneth. Didn't work the first time, son.
 
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orikeii

Member
Indacouch said:
Most places you get seeds from will tell you where they do best. Indoors,outdoors,greenhouse. I've taken strains that supposedly were only for indoor and did great in my green house on several occasions. The only time I see issues is when people take young plants started indoors and toss em in a hole outdoors without hardening them off or letting them get acclimated to their new environment. Other than that I've never had issue.


Please fulfill @neosapien request above. It will help us help you. He's actually a moderator here. They just haven't changed his Avi yet because it's a long grueling process.
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Yep, photo of my mum in her natural environment been attatched brotato
 
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orikeii

Member
tstick said:
You don't need to wait 10-20 years for this to happen. All plants are constantly adapting to their environment -as are ALL living things on Earth. As the environment changes, so do the adaptations.

But it is the way the seed is selected that will ultimately decide how a plant will grow in a given set of environmental conditions. The seeds produced, will each carry slightly-different, potentially-adaptive traits within their genetic material. By selecting seedlings based on, say, growth rate, and disregarding other seedlings that don't display the same growth rate, then you, as the selector, are responsible for the evolution of that line. Yes, you might get the seedlings that grow the fastest....but you might also get plants that are less stinky and flavorful. The seedlings you threw out may have been the ones to have that magical combination of goodies!

In nature, what we know as "landrace" strains are those strains that come from specific areas of the world and ones that had adapted to those growing conditions and, thus, had become "pure" in their expression of traits -such as growth rate, smell, look, etc. There was a consistency to the plants because of this.

But, as time went on, growers began combining genetics -such as crossing a Thai seed with a Mexican seed....completely different environmental backgrounds...So the resulting plants that came from these crosses, also carried within them, a greater amount of potential adaptive qualities -some good and some not no much. Depending on the goal of the breeder (if there even was a goal to begin with), we either got "the best of both worlds" or maybe we got a bunch of tasteless, odorless, bunk-weed!

My guess is that most breeders select the fastest-growing, most vigorous seedlings and cull the rest....and whatever you get from that selection is based upon nothing other than growth rate. It's just not practical/feasible for most growers to grow out EVERYTHING and then select. In some cases, I'm sure that there are (what would have been) fantastic plants -but ones that didn't express initial vigorous growth, so they got trashed. :(
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Mate, thankyou, someone to actually comment with there opinion/view unlike half of these other arse hats! bahaha
 
tstick

tstick

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Indacouch said:
My biggest bud to date was from a plant I neglected in the corner because she was a runt compared to her sisters. Boy did she prove me wrong with a basket ball size bud at the end. Good point.
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Yes! Sometimes, a seedling can be a slow starter but later on, can really perform!

There is kind of an advantage to being a small time grower and having to purchase seeds that are often very expensive....and that is that we tend to grow out all the seeds we buy -regardless of how they fire off, initially. So, if we get a runt or a "weirdo" plant, we still grow it all the way. And, sometimes that's where the flavor is.
 
gjs4786

gjs4786

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I'm surprised there aren't more posts like this. People thinking they died or something.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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To produce any appreciable genetic change will most likely take thousonds of years outdoors or indoors but probably a few months if your a genetic crop modification lab.

Weed looks and smokes like it did thirty years ago so 20 years in different environments dosent seem to change much.

Weed has strong genetics that resist change, a good thing to have in the wild when everything is trying to change you. Some plants have less strong genetics and will breeed and adapt with mucch more.
 
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