Hans Panel vs Apollo 6

brotherjericho

brotherjericho

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After considering some DIY, I realize that I could do it, but I would much rather purchase an assembled unit instead. That being said, I do have a few requirements:

1) Sometimes height becomes a consideration in my bloom tent. I would like a panel that will not bleach my plants if they get within 4" or so. I have found very little bleaching when this happens under my PG180, but that might be just a function of that panel's weaknesses.
2) I only need to cover 1x2 right now. I am going to keep my PG180 on one side of my 2x2 tent for 2 plants, the new panel will cover the same. The PG180 is not the best, but I have had several successful harvests with it. I will be replacing ~165w of PLL tubes.

Right now I'm looking at speccing an Apollo 6, trying to achieve >60% red and ~10% blue. Trying to do this with a combination of WW and reds. However, many people are claiming that the Hans Panel, at only 56w, is a better option. I would like to believe this, but I think this is just opinion so far, until I see a valid comparison.

Maybe in a year or less, I'll look again into doing a DIY to replace my PG180, but for now it seems to be between Hans and Apollo.

Any thoughts? And please, just don't say "Apollo is junk" or "Hans Panel is better". It seems a fellow user is growing some nice NL using Apollos!

Thanks!
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Cree and Philips leds in the Hans panel are higher quality, higher par, and more lumens per watt. Than the epistar leds in the Apollo 6. Its not about more watts is better. Its about higher par. umole/s per watt. Hans panel is a higher end than Apollo. Imo the Hans will outperform the Apollo 6 by far.

Look at the a51 led and apache tech. Both all cree. A51 led is160 watts and the apache is 120. Both will destroy an Apollo 8. Which is 230 -270 watts.


Both are driven at 700 mA. Hans has fewer leds. So it will most likely last longer.

Trueg Also has a 400w hps in that same tent too..

You can do a simpe diy led with good results too. Use 50 watt arrays or 100 watt arrays

https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/538173-cheapo-diy-chinese-led-grow.html
 
brotherjericho

brotherjericho

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I understand the idea of better lumens/watt and higher par, just have a hard time believing Hans > Apollo 6. Apollo 4, maybe.

As a somewhat similar comparison, some guy on grasscity started a comparison grow between several lights. It was flawed (he started from seed) but he did take par readings for the various lights at 30".

1000w dual arc HID - 659
Apollo 10 (325w) - 695
Magnum PLUS (294w) - 834
Penetrator 336x (515w) - 453

Obviously, the Magnum Plus kicked the Apollo's ass, but at the same time, it had better par readings than the other three lights.

I was considering the el cheapo DIY build with 30-50w arrays, but not sure they would be all that great considering that they are likely not the best LEDs either, plus they would be just slightly cheaper in the long run vs an Apollo 6 or Hans.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Bysen are supposedly better than cidly. The Helios and the penetrator come from there. Ive seen some journals on ic rag with good results on the penetrator. But never seen the Helios. Except in grow blu's you tube channel. It doesn't show much. For what they charge at bysen. I doubt they use real cree leds. Those are expensive. But the mag plus 2 is the Helios rebranded. So... have seen good journals with mag plus 2.

On the diy. If anything goes wrong. The 100 watt arrays are like $10 and the drivers are around $14-$17. The solder gun would be more expensive than any one part.

Then again Trueg is the only one who has done all whites. Maybe add some red do a comparison grow between Apollo and Hans. On here they got a bad rap. All the journals were incomplete. Eh does not like them. a lot of people take his word as law. The one thing I don't like about Apollos is they drive the leds to high. 700mA. Should be 500mA or 550mA
Check out evergrow too. Ive talked to them but never got a price. Evergrow makes vipars and 2012 a51 led
 
ellydee

ellydee

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With your height restrictions, anything with secondary lenses may be a problem.
My lamps that have secondary lenses never get closer than 20".
 
brotherjericho

brotherjericho

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hyroot said:
Bysen are supposedly better than cidly. The Helios and the penetrator come from there. Ive seen some journals on ic rag with good results on the penetrator. But never seen the Helios. Except in grow blu's you tube channel. It doesn't show much. For what they charge at bysen. I doubt they use real cree leds. Those are expensive. But the mag plus 2 is the Helios rebranded. So... have seen good journals with mag plus 2.

On the diy. If anything goes wrong. The 100 watt arrays are like $10 and the drivers are around $14-$17. The solder gun would be more expensive than any one part.

Then again Trueg is the only one who has done all whites. Maybe add some red do a comparison grow between Apollo and Hans. On here they got a bad rap. All the journals were incomplete. Eh does not like them. a lot of people take his word as law. The one thing I don't like about Apollos is they drive the leds to high. 700mA. Should be 500mA or 550mA
Check out evergrow too. Ive talked to them but never got a price. Evergrow makes vipars and 2012 a51 led
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What I've bolded above concerns me as well. I already know that the LEDs they use are not the best, so driving them hard cannot be a good thing.

As to the Bysen, if you look, they say the center LED is Cree. A little wording to stay truthful but many people will overlook this. The rest of the LEDs? Who knows.

"3W Cree LED chips in the center of every light-module to ensure super light efficiency."
 
brotherjericho

brotherjericho

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ellydee said:
With your height restrictions, anything with secondary lenses may be a problem.
My lamps that have secondary lenses never get closer than 20".
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Trueg has stated that his Apollo with secondary lens at 90 deg is fine unless the plant touches the light. I think alot has to do with strain too...even my PG180 will bleach strains with white in them if they get too close. But I've had a few sativas only 1" away with no visible issues.
 
nevergoodenuf

nevergoodenuf

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Sorry Hyroot, I don't think the Mag plus2 is the same. The Mag uses 3 watts around the border and 9 more 1 watters under the large lens. It sounds like Bysen is using 1 watters around the border and 1 3watter in the middle. With my setup I have had it 4" off the canopy without bleaching. The lens on the mag plus seem to have better penetration with its smaller footprint. This is with a $10 light meter.
 
brotherjericho

brotherjericho

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nevergoodenuf said:
Sorry Hyroot, I don't think the Mag plus2 is the same. The Mag uses 3 watts around the border and 9 more 1 watters under the large lens. It sounds like Bysen is using 1 watters around the border and 1 3watter in the middle. With my setup I have had it 4" off the canopy without bleaching. The lens on the mag plus seem to have better penetration with its smaller footprint. This is with a $10 light meter.
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The H163D-420W and Mag Plus 2 both spec 240 pcs, and your pic above shows 20 pcs/module. Both lights have 12 modules so...it cannot be as you say, the math doesn't work ;).
 
hyroot

hyroot

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bysen will make the spectrum to what ever you want. if your a company that rersells lights .the manufacturer will change out led's if requested

those hgl i think are made by e shine or budzilla. their old penetrator model is made by bysen
 
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