Hard Nugs--more strain or grow??

bravedave

bravedave

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I was pretty proud of my FGs nugget denseness until a buddy stopped by this weekend with a bag whose nuggets were incredibly hard and also was dank, and tasted great and might have been the best I have ever smoked.
How much of bud density is strain related vs grow technique?
 
Bugeye

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Some strains will produce denser buds than others, but the difference maker on density is lighting, in my opinion. When I first upgraded from 400w to 1000w I saw a huge difference.
 
bravedave

bravedave

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Bugeye said:
Some strains will produce denser buds than others, but the difference maker on density is lighting, in my opinion. When I first upgraded from 400w to 1000w I saw a huge difference.
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A 1000 watter is in my future. Have thoughts of rigging the 600 I have as a vertical. Also contemplating just getting another 600 to add to the ceiling.

Thanks for weighing in.
 
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qwizoking

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Its mostly strain related.
Sativa obviously being airy.
Compressed indica doesn't work so hot, we called that shitty stuff beasters, sucks.. Compressed south american Sativa's are able to brick. Can make a paper thin bud.

Yiu can have 3oz's easy fit in a mason jar or an oz of heavy sativa.

Other dude isn't wrong. The more light the less the plant will stretch. But the less the genetics want to stretch is far more important..can get rock like nugs that fall on the table with a clank
 
torontoke

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I would say strain has something to do with it but i think light is most important.
U could take the best genetics in the world and put them under cfls and still get airy buds but if u take a crappy strain and put it under a 1000watter it will probably still make denser tighter buds.

So the answer is both but i think moreso the light
 
Bugeye

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All good answers above and sort of a difficult one to answer because it really does come down to the weakest link theory for how much grow technique has to do with density. The weaker the link the more room for improvement you have. Once you've optimized as much as you can on your grow technique, then only strain differences are left.
 
vostok

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Bugeye said:
All good answers above and sort of a difficult one to answer because it really does come down to the weakest link theory for how much grow technique has to do with density. The weaker the link the more room for improvement you have. Once you've optimized as much as you can on your grow technique, then only strain differences are left.
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I see it as your grow technique is only good as your
WEAKEST LINK
any bottle neck to your method
will impede yield, quality and harvest date
to a first timer growing the weed, poor guy is shooting in the dark,
but ample study and this site will get him up to speed
to a first timer on DWC it will take 2-3 grows before the grower
can get his yields up that of his soil grow, DWC is still considered an art to many
its why I suspect coco is so popular ​
 
TheYokel

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bravedave said:
I was pretty proud of my FGs nugget denseness until a buddy stopped by this weekend with a bag whose nuggets were incredibly hard and also was dank, and tasted great and might have been the best I have ever smoked.
How much of bud density is strain related vs grow technique?
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There is a difference between strains and phenos.

You and your buddy could have bought the same strain from the same breeder, and have two completely different plants. It depends on how stable the seed stock is.

It's 100% possible for both of you to grow the exact same "strain" in the exact same environment, and have 2 totally different plants. Unless you are working with clones, it's just usually how seeds work out.

As for bud density and smell/dankness. Strain is going to be your major factor, aside from the pheno issues we just discussed. It's not unheard of to have to pop 10-20 seeds to find a plant you really like. It really just depends on the genes and the breeder.
 
unwine99

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It's 80% strain and 20% environmental conditions in some instances and 20% strain and 80% environmental conditions in other instances in my opinion. For example, I run 10 strains at the moment and 1 in particular, critical, has rock hard buds -- no matter what -- it does get slightly more dense during cooler temperatures -- but the difference is negligible. My other strains are just "regular" density and they too get more dense during cooler temperatures but contrary to my critical strain, they get noticeably more "fluffy" during warmer temperatures. So most likely, unless you're just a terrible grower all around, your friend probably had a strain that's just much more dense than your strain.
 
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bravedave

bravedave

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First, I appreciate all the serious responses. Thanks.

Secondly,
UncleBuck said:
i think they get denser if you get rid of the white power avatar!
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Not sure one could get much denser than someone who mistakes a novelty pic of a hispanic American as a symbol of "white power". But we both know, Uncle Puke, that you actually do know it is not one...just as you know the date also has nothing to do with white power. You sir are a small, disingenuous, creepy thing. Truth be known then, you are following me around this forum castigating me because why again? Intolerance to any disagreement?? Did I embarrass you??? You are a cancer here and every day I am surprised they let you exist. I certainly do not mind civil disagreement but your trolling of me and your attempts at character assassination shows a troubled personality. You might want to try and get some mental health help. The weed is not working.
 
skunkd0c

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mostly strain/pheno although a 1000w will help a bit
the hardest i have grown was a pheno of orignal misty from HGF, its a 100% indica cross
it was a long time ago i can remember splitting buds open to check for seeds it had a similar swollen look to a seeded plant
nice mild afghan taste it was fully mature in 7 weeks
 
bravedave

bravedave

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skunkd0c said:
mostly strain/pheno although a 1000w will help a bit
the hardest i have grown was a pheno of orignal misty from HGF, its a 100% indica cross
it was a long time ago i can remember splitting buds open to check for seeds it had a similar swollen look to a seeded plant
nice mild afghan taste it was fully mature in 7 weeks
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Thx...yeah meant to followup with "what are some notorious strains in this arena."
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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bravedave said:
Thx...yeah meant to followup with "what are some notorious strains in this arena."
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i think you are better off growing indica to stand more chance finding the hardest buds

strain is not so helpful unless the strain is uniform among phenos which is unlikely, no guarantee

better of picking a few different indica crosses of your choice and growing as many as you can
hopefully one or two of them should produce those extra dense buds you're looking for
and give you a keeper/mother

all the other orignal misty phenos i had were medium dense, so keep the numbers up

peace
 
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G

Glaucoma

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I think the order goes something like this in practice:

1 - lighting
2 - maintaining plant health
3 - strain/pheno

For most people, I'd guess that the first two are usually the 'problem'.
 
GroErr

GroErr

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I think strain plays a big part, but beyond that lighting can/does play a big part. I've seen it first hand, tried a couple of runs with some cheap LED's, gave up on them, switched to CMH, same strain, clones from the same moms I had run under the cheap LED's and tripled the weight/density. Nutes/medium also has an effect. I recently finished a run with a strain I had run before (same environment) but was prone to burn (nute and light burn) so on the last run I backed off the nutes and while it produced a lot of bud, they were like 2/3 the density as previous runs. So, imo there are multiple reasons for fluffy buds, genetics have to be there, but from my observations nutes/feed/medium and lighting can play a big role and do affect density.
 
weedenhanced

weedenhanced

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My first grow ever was bag seed medium density under a 400w I used same nuts I use today my second grow was clones off the bag seed but I used canna pk at about 3 weeks into flower the nug hardness was Massivly difference they was rocks
 
weedenhanced

weedenhanced

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Glaucoma said:
I think the order goes something like this in practice:

1 - lighting
2 - maintaining plant health
3 - strain/pheno

For most people, I'd guess that the first two are usually the 'problem'.
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U need hid lighting but nuts play a major roll and heat
 
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