Harley Davidson moving to Thailand....thanks trump MAGA

srh88

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see4 said:
I've been eyeballing the 2018 Indian Scout Bobber ABS in matte black. With grenade pipes.

God fucking damnit that is one sexy fucking bike.
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Nice. I'm still in love with the newer Harley low rider. Looks super sharp
 
ttystikk

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TacoMac said:
Toys R Us doesn't exist anymore in reality. They are liquidating everything and will vanish from the United States entirely by years end.

How you think that's a "good thing" is mystifying to me.
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Boy, did you misunderstand my point.
Ever heard of sarcasm?
Try again.

Toys R Us was bought out by private equity, loaded up with debt to extract cash from the company and then left to die under the crushing debt load.

The fact that such behavior is legal, let alone applauded in this country is evidence of the ascendancy of catalyst greed over all else.
 
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ttystikk

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MichiganMedGrower said:
We have a system of checks and balances and regular elections.

And I said of course it all leans towards the money. I think corporate greed and political greed are tied together but still independent of each other. In fact using each other rather than colluding as commonly thought.
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You're trying to make a distinction without a difference.
 
ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
All I hear is you repeating the mantra that nothing can be done to protect US jobs and I disagree.

In Europe, many companies expand sales there to meet foreign demand.

Works pretty good too. Outstanding levels of quality, reliability and customer satisfaction. Good paying jobs remain in countries that fostered the growth of those companies.

I'd like to see that kind of business model encouraged in the US.
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HD is just doing the same thing Mercedes did in Alabama.
 
ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Mercedes is part of the Volkswagon conglomerate. They were infected with Wall Street MBAs. So sad when a company gets sick like that.
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No.

Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, Bugatti.

Mercedes, Daimler Benz- and for awhile, Daimler Chrysler.

Your failure to learn is self limiting.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
No.

Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, Bugatti.

Mercedes, Daimler Benz- and for awhile, Daimler Chrysler.

Your failure to learn is self limiting.
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i have no idea what your point is. These are all companies that have become infected by Wall Street MBA's. The core of European manufacturing success is from companies who grew locally and succeeded along with the people who live there. Why are you citing companies that have lost their way, some of whom have been acquired by others.
 
ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
i have no idea what your point is. These are all companies that have become infected by Wall Street MBA's. The core of European manufacturing success is from companies who grew locally and succeeded along with the people who live there. Why are you citing companies that have lost their way, some of whom have been acquired by others.
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Just two corporations.
 
SneekyNinja

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Fogdog said:
All I hear is you repeating the mantra that nothing can be done to protect US jobs and I disagree.

In Europe, many companies expand sales there to meet foreign demand.

Works pretty good too. Outstanding levels of quality, reliability and customer satisfaction. Good paying jobs remain in countries that fostered the growth of those companies.

I'd like to see that kind of business model encouraged in the US.
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The jobs could be saved, in theory, but it's far less profitable to do it that way.

I'm not repeating any "mantra", it's just fact, we cannot fight for equal pay in a different country, that's just insane.
 
Budley Doright

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UncleBuck said:
"The president’s implementation of tariffs on steel imports could add $30 million to the company’s costs. Even worse, European leaders have tinted at possible retaliation for the tariffs against American companies like Harley-Davidson.".
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Was the move not done before any talk of tariffs. I though it was actual done to bypass the tariffs imposed by Thailand? I don’t watch much news about it but caught tidbits right after Trump talked about them being a great American icon lol.
 
Fogdog

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SneekyNinja said:
The jobs could be saved, in theory, but it's far less profitable to do it that way.

I'm not repeating any "mantra", it's just fact, we cannot fight for equal pay in a different country, that's just insane.
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I'd rather fight for that using economic pressure and internal policies than for oil. At this time, actions are only taken when workers are burned to death due to working conditions we banned a hundred years ago.

European countries are better at keeping jobs than the US is. If they can do it, we can too.
 
SneekyNinja

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Fogdog said:
I'd rather fight for that using economic pressure and internal policies than for oil. At this time, actions are only taken when workers are burned to death due to working conditions we banned a hundred years ago.

European countries are better at keeping jobs than the US is. If they can do it, we can too.
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I was reading that the EU charges VAT on imports from outside the EU.

We should probably look at wealth inequality at home before we arrogantly start telling other countries that they do it wrong?
 
zeddd

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Harley’s appeal to non bikers and in-the-closet types who need to express their repressed emotions in chrome is fading. Kawasaki is currently king of motorcycle perfection, zx1400 is hard to beat
Trump has fucked the bikers, lol, all those “bikers for Trump” now bikers for Thailand
 
zeddd

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Fogdog said:
i have no idea what your point is. These are all companies that have become infected by Wall Street MBA's. The core of European manufacturing success is from companies who grew locally and succeeded along with the people who live there. Why are you citing companies that have lost their way, some of whom have been acquired by others.
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Why “infected” surely MBAs are mostly altruistic?
 
srh88

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zeddd said:
Harley’s appeal to non bikers and in-the-closet types who need to express their repressed emotions in chrome is fading. Kawasaki is currently king of motorcycle perfection, zx1400 is hard to beat
Trump has fucked the bikers, lol, all those “bikers for Trump” now bikers for Thailand
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You can't compare a zx to a Harley. That's apples and oranges
 
Fogdog

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SneekyNinja said:
I was reading that the EU charges VAT on imports from outside the EU.

We should probably look at wealth inequality at home before we arrogantly start telling other countries that they do it wrong?
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I can read a chart like this one from Pew Research and say I want the US wages and income inequality to be more like Europe's. You can argue one policy or another and why we can't. I'm saying other similarly wealthy people have better wages and lower income disparity and ask why can't we?



Compared to Europe, we have more people in lower income bracket, fewer in middle class and more in upper income brackets.

https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/04/euro-vs-american-middle-class/524193/

If you are saying we need to address the shrinkage of the middle class and expansion of people falling on high and low income brackets, then we agree. I'm looking at what Europe has and asking why we can't learn from what they are doing?
 
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