Harvest a Pound Every Three Weeks!

mindphuk said:

I don't want to speak for SB but here's my thought. 3 600w units might cover the 3 setups easier but that's only 1800w vs. the 2000w he currently has. More coverage, less intensity, so that would be a downgrade, not an upgrade.

4 600 watters would be a balance between coverage and intensity. So it boils down to kind of how I put it in the previous post, less costly than 4 1000 watters, and more efficient coverage than the 2 1000 watters.

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It really depends on how many systems you've got and what your square footage is but for THREE bloom systems I would much rather have 3-4 600w HPS than 2 1000w and I'd rather have 4 600w HPS than 3 1000w as well. I'm an eco-friendly guy and the 600w HPS is the MOST efficient HID light you can get in terms of lumens per watt.

You factor that in with the fact that you can place the 600 watter closer, they produce less heat, and you have more sources of light and it really seals the deal for me. Other may have a different opinion but that's where I weigh in. I actually have 2 1000w and 1 600w HPS covering 3 systems now and to be honest the 1000w put off ALOT of heat compared to the 600w so you're gonna have to deal with that if you run the 1000w lamps.

Stink -

I know you said you change nutes out and do a res change every 3w. I'm assuming you are still on that schedule and it's working out ok?

Dirt - are you on the 3w resevoir change out as well? I've been doing it every 2w but obviously I'd like to move to 3w to create less work for myself.

DP

DragonPhoenix said:

It really depends on how many systems you've got and what your square footage is but for THREE bloom systems I would much rather have 3-4 600w HPS than 2 1000w and I'd rather have 4 600w HPS than 3 1000w as well. I'm an eco-friendly guy and the 600w HPS is the MOST efficient HID light you can get in terms of lumens per watt.

You factor that in with the fact that you can place the 600 watter closer, they produce less heat, and you have more sources of light and it really seals the deal for me. Other may have a different opinion but that's where I weigh in. I actually have 2 1000w and 1 600w HPS covering 3 systems now and to be honest the 1000w put off ALOT of heat compared to the 600w so you're gonna have to deal with that if you run the 1000w lamps.

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I'm not sure where you and I disagree. I did say the 600w is more efficient didn't I? I also thought I explained why 4-600s bulbs is better than 2-1000w. I think 3-600w are fine too, but for SB, he already has 2 1000w so it would be more of a horizontal move rather than an upgrade (think a light mover linking both lights would be best for him IMO). Either I am reading your post wrong or you may have misread mine since I think we are in complete agreement.

mindphuk said:

I'm not sure where you and I disagree. I did say the 600w is more efficient didn't I? I also thought I explained why 4-600s bulbs is better than 2-1000w. I think 3-600w are fine too, but for SB, he already has 2 1000w so it would be more of a horizontal move rather than an upgrade (think a light mover linking both lights would be best for him IMO). Either I am reading your post wrong or you may have misread mine since I think we are in complete agreement.

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Sorry I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with what you had there. I was just trying to provide another viewpoint for the person who asked the question about lighting. I'm not sure there is a "right" or "wrong" answer - just the info that's out there and it's up the person to decide what would work best for them.

Cheers,
DP

mindphuk said:

I don't want to speak for SB but here's my thought. 3 600w units might cover the 3 setups easier but that's only 1800w vs. the 2000w he currently has. More coverage, less intensity, so that would be a downgrade, not an upgrade.

4 600 watters would be a balance between coverage and intensity. So it boils down to kind of how I put it in the previous post, less costly than 4 1000 watters, and more efficient coverage than the 2 1000 watters.

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NOTE: This is all my personal, humble opinion, offered simply as food for thought. I don't know nothin'!

Yeah! There's no substitute for watts! ...or is there? As you pointed out, Mindphuk, - 600's are the most efficient. If the concern of your grow is efficiency, perhaps 600's are the way to go? 600's can often be placed closer to your plants than 1000's... as light diminishes by half every foot, those inches can often nullify the extra power of 1000's. The additional power required to run and cool 1000's may eat up more of your bottom line than the return in increased yields offer... again, all just thoughts and things to consider.

In my humblest of humble opinions - gathered from first hand experience, if you have 8 foot ceilings or less, I have found 600's to be the sweet spot in grow lights. Again - there is no substitute for watts - but you need to be sure you are effectively utilizing all the watts you have!

Hi,
I'm building the cloning setup described on page 1. Does anyone know where I can get a timer that does one minuet on and 5 minuets off?

gotroutc said:

Hi,
I'm building the cloning setup described on page 1. Does anyone know where I can get a timer that does one minuet on and 5 minuets off?

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personaly i did not use the timmer for that site myself and it worked but if you absolutly insist on it it can be found online at bghydro.com for 70 dollars or in a local hydro shop just ask for a CYCLE timer and make sure they know what it is

I just read that the organic nutrients used in this setup are not properly read by a PPM meter.

So I wonder just how much nutrients we all may really be giving our plant at any given time. SB's 2900 PPM could be totally different than someone else using a different bottle of the same nuts (maybe mixed with another batch of bird $#!+ ?).

It obviously works and I will use it as well but thought it might be something to think about when mixing your nutrients... keep an eye on the plants...

gotroutc said:

Hi,
I'm building the cloning setup described on page 1. Does anyone know where I can get a timer that does one minuet on and 5 minuets off?

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This place seems to have the best price on the CAP recycle timers. This one is fixed time, 1, minute on, 4 minutes off which is close to the 1 and 5 that SB recommends.
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/cap-nft1e-1minute-on-4minutes-off-preset-recycle-timer-p-1725.html is the cheapest I have seen it anywhere. You can get their adjustable version for $20 more, however some people on this thread have complained about the knobs accidentally getting moved. My favorite online hydro store (http://thegardendepotinc.com/index.html) usually seems to have the cheapest prices, but wants $70 for this same exact timer. I haven't bought anything from plantlightinghydroponics.com yet but I think I will have to since they have some good prices on other things too.

pharlow said:

personaly i did not use the timmer for that site myself and it worked but if you absolutly insist on it it can be found online at bghydro.com for 70 dollars or in a local hydro shop just ask for a CYCLE timer and make sure they know what it is

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I am using a similar cloning method, im using a two plastic rubbermaid garbage cans, one partially cut. I use the 15min on and 15min off method and it works great, give your plants more time to breathe. This timer can be bought at any hydro store, way cheaper than the 1/5 timers.

At 18 days my longest clone root was 12inches. Im using CANNA line. first week just water, a few drops of dip'n'grow and some rooting stimulator. half way into second week 1/2 strength CANNA nutes but full strength Rhizotonic. If you want pics let me know and i can post more detailed pictures, however you can check out my grow journal and see general setup pics.

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/131310-white-widow-hydro-fog-journal.html

stink i have a question pertaining to your c02 system, i have the first two components of your room built and looking to start the third i would like to know what components the c02 system pertains of so i dont over or under buy materials

Awesome thread!!
Thanks for all the usefull information. I just wanted to FYI on the Aquarium cycle timer. I found this on Fleabay for under46 bucks and its the best price I have found so far


http://cgi.ebay.com/Natural-Wave-Multi-Cycle-Pump-Timer-by-Aquarium-Systems_W0QQitemZ120352793806QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

I had built a 5 gallon bucket cloner before I read this and it is basically the same principle as yours.

token old guy said:

Awesome thread!!
Thanks for all the usefull information. I just wanted to FYI on the Aquarium cycle timer. I found this on Fleabay for under46 bucks and its the best price I have found so far


http://cgi.ebay.com/Natural-Wave-Multi-Cycle-Pump-Timer-by-Aquarium-Systems_W0QQitemZ120352793806QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

I had built a 5 gallon bucket cloner before I read this and it is basically the same principle as yours.

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I dont think that will work. it needs to be a recylce timer. those kind dont continually repeat. I think you can set them to do it but not 24/7 I think you have only so many times a day it does it. so sometime it would be off to long. I checked into these first. this seller is just not putting that in his ad. If you find others of the same brand by diff sellers they tell more than he left out

does anyone know at what percentage of bloom nutes you are to give a cutting you want to put into flowering from its veg mother @ 3-4 weeks old?

bobbyboy34 said:

does anyone know at what percentage of bloom nutes you are to give a cutting you want to put into flowering from its veg mother @ 3-4 weeks old?

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The 13 that were put into flower just after sprouting roots were treated the same way as they would be if they were going into veg, except I used SB's bloom recipe and will keep the ppm at 1500 for the first week or two.

It's only been 4 days, but so far so good.

StinkBud said:

I stir the res everyday to circulate all the nutes. Within a few days the water will look almost clear.

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Could you mount 1 or 2 additional red sprayers inside the res to circulate the nuiet solution? It would also add a little more oxygen and that would not hurt

Just make sure the pump yopu use has the ability to handle the additionl sprayers

Just a thought

Finally got my third sys up and running and one about three or so weeks out :b

I need more light to get my bulk up and stop the streching

funtogrow said:

Finally got my third sys up and running and one about three or so weeks out :b

I need more light to get my bulk up and stop the streching

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Great pic of your setup - looks sooo good! More light on the way too, huh? You rock!

LionsRoor said:

Great pic of your setup - looks sooo good! More light on the way too, huh? You rock!

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I agree, great picture funtogrow. What size footprint do you have there - say from side to side and from front to back?

LionsRoor said:

Great pic of your setup - looks sooo good!

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LionsRoor.. you setup is exactly like what I've got in the works also.. very nice setup.


I'm also looking into a recycle timer relay setup, and if I can get it all worked out, ill post it up here for all you DIYers.