Has anyone seen this before?

im4satori

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I don't know where people got the idea that neem oil either prevents or kills mites, it doesn't
yup^

boy you better pray you dont have broad mites... they are almost impossible to remedy without harsh poisons or just scrapping everything and bleaching!

the pic alone doesnt scream broad mites first but those little suckers can do weird shit to make your plants look like they have micro nute issues and other stuff so it cant be ruled out either
 

Chronic811

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That's what I thought from the initial photo cuz I've seen them do that, but in the subsequent photos I couldn't see any but if I'm honest the photos still weren't great, need a clear picture from about a foot back shot at the leaves from an angle that lets us see the little white dots, if they're present
Broads don’t leave white spots they leave a real fine brown dust like substance on the stems near the damage areas.two spotted mites leave the white spots
 

Beachwalker

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Broads don’t leave white spots they leave a real fine brown dust like substance on the stems near the damage areas.two spotted mites leave the white spots
Do you see that first picture that's out of focus, can you see white dots when you zoom in? I can't tell if that's the structure of the leaf or mite damage but those curly leaves are consistent with damage I've had but it was way back in the 90s, so it's been awhile and I'm not sure, plus I can't really see it well?

Op need better pictures, flat, looking right down at the leaf from the top, close up enough to see maybe two, three leaves in the picture

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Chronic811

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Do you see that first picture that's out of focus, can you see white dots when you zoom in? I can't tell if that's the structure of the leaf or mite damage but those curly leaves are consistent with damage I've had but it was way back in the 90s, so it's been awhile and I'm not sure, plus I can't really see it well?

Op need better pictures, flat, looking right down at the leaf from the top, close up enough to see maybe two, three leaves in the picture
I can’t see any white spots
 

Beachwalker

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This is about the closest picture I could find also your article is what bionic just said about the brown stuff. You might want to give them a good neem spray top and bottom of the leaf right now wouldn't hurt and it probably is going to help, you might also want to look into spinosad and maybe bionic might have some recommendations for products that will work to kill those little bastards, good luck and let us know!

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bulimic

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well, the scope came in and it's russet mites :( should i scrap the entire grow? they still have 7 weeks left to go.
 

Chronic811

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Did you actually see them moving? They could be trichomes. They look very similar. The only way I can tell them apart is when they start moving
 

Chronic811

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Do you have a way to get your room to 120 degrees for an hour? From an electrical source , propane heaters will kill your plants. That’s about the best way to kill these bastards. Using chemicals in flower is just suicide
 

bulimic

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i saw them moving :/ yeah, i can get the room super hot. probably pretty close to 120. i also ordered Nuke Em that'll come in today and I'm going to drench the leaves and stems with it. i was also wanting to introduce nematodes to the grow but not sure how soon after the Nuke Em i should do it.
 

Chronic811

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Nice nuke em is good stuff. Probably the only thing I’d ever use on flowers because it’s odorless. Yeah just water right before you pump up the temps so the plants stay hydrated and just try to get as close to 120 and hold it there for an hour. Repeat every week or so
 

bulimic

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i'm going to water right now then do the high temp change over the next hour or so. hopefully this slows them down and today when the Nuke Em comes i can wipe a chunk of them out.
 

bulimic

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i raised the temps as high as i could for a couple of hours earlier but i couldn't get it above 100 in the tent. hopefully that slowed them down a little. the bottle of Nuke Em came and i drenched the plants in it. I'm going to drench them again Sunday night right before the lights are sscheduled to go off. i want to do 3 applications total and then introduce some beneficial bugs. i was thinking maybe nematodes could handle the russet mites and anything else that may try to come in? i also stopped adding the neem to my waterings.
 

Chronic811

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Damn I think you want to get it over 115 to kill them. Idk much about nematodes but I know some rec producers that use green lace wings
 

im4satori

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hot temps will accelerate the eggs hatching, which can work for you or against you depending on the timing of your pesticide... 100 degrees probably wont do much excpet speed up the cycle

after my experience .... id probably scrap them and start fresh

the reason i say that is, you dont want them infecting the next run.. if you start veg on the next set of clones or seed before youve harvested and bleached and done whatever else to get rid of them theyll end up infecting the veg and pro longing your issues

thgose bastards are insanely hard to remedy without chems ...

good luck
 

bulimic

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i drenched the plants in Nuke Em a couple of days ago and then again this morning. the bottle says i can spray multiple times on application day so i'm going to wait a few hours and spray them again today. i cut off all the dead growth right before the first spraying and i am not seeing the mites spreading to other growth, but i'm still going to do another application day in a few days to make sure i kill any stragglers. really wanting to introduce some beneficials but idk if the Nuke Em will kill them as well.
 

Dr. Who

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Trust in what the guy above says!

I saw some pretty odd answers here..

Using Neem in the feed solution is, well, not a great idea,,period!
If you invest in any Myco's of fungal's to add to your soil...The use of Neem in your feed solution is killing them!

Neem has a true shelf life of about nil. Especially in the concentrated form. Once the stuff has made contact with O2 and light.....It's becoming worthless fast....
I have issues with putting any "oil" on my plants.

Kill them with heat and win the battle? Not very fucking likely! There will be more then a few that make it through....They simply will restart the cycle.

Seeing Russet mites in some of the pictures shared here is uncommon. You need to be looking through something with 100x at least...
Seeing the ones that look like a brown rust type fungus on the stem and leaf petiole. More then likely what I said. A Brown "Rust" fungus.

To actually become that infested....Somebody had to be SLEEPING on that grow!
99% of the time you will never "see" a Russet or a Broad mite.

The Russets tend to attack lower branching and this in turn effects upper plant structure, especially new growth as an indicator. They will move up the stem and into branching so that is where to concentrate any attempt to kill them off.

You will not kill off Broad or Russet mites with any Neem or simple contact killer like pyrethrin's. No oil based natural or insecticide soap will either. So you might as well forget about "natural or organic" things that may claim to either. They won't!

Bottom line on Russet or Broad mite killing..

You need to use FORBID 4F and AVID in a rotating spray method that is done by starting with FORBID then 5 days later you use the AVID and repeat this for 3 weeks at least. You need to get behind any egg hatch that the insecticides might have missed as eggs (FORBID does limited egg killing - depends on age of the egg).

The guy who posted before me. We had Russets at about the same time. They took us 4 weeks (and a cpl others longer {that had tried "natural" methods first})...
While FORBID does not make for "super mites" These other things like pyrethrin's DO! Mites not killed outright by contact killers become immune to the stuff your trying to kill them with.
This is true for their off spring too!

That point alone tells you that NOT being thorough in your use of the substance you choose. Will come back and make it worse!

I'm really hoping that the daily neem feeding is preventing mites... but I just same day ordered a 60x microscope to find out for sure.
also it's worth mentioning that my humidity was extremely high in the tent this past week when my last inline fan went out and i had to wait on a new one. could that possibly have something to do with it too, like maybe some type of mold?

You won't "see" them with a 60X scope.....A Russet mite is the diameter of a White fly leg! That is small!!!!
The damage they do will begin to show as what looks like a confusing cross of micro def's. Sulfur and Iron, yet it's not quite right either....As you struggle with attempting to head off the micro def. Things do not improve and the new growth and the new leaves just behind it, begin to get thin and show a pronounced crinkle or washboard look, between the leaf veins.....This then progresses to crinkly adult leaves (all as the effected parts grow and age).

These infestations are now getting old....The plant will produce small and low potency buds. By this time, any attempt to propagate the plant will only give you "odd" running plants that don't resemble the mother and her growth or quality at all.. This is because the plant has been damaged on the genetic level... YES, bad bug infestations of some type's, can affect a plant's genetic make-up..

If you choose to save the run by using what I said and how I said it!
Be done with that strain unless you start new seeds!

HUGELY IMPORTANT THING!

No matter what you choose to do. Either treat the plants or burn them and start over.
You MUST sanitize the whole grow area! Inside, outside, under, on top, the floor, the walls, the ceiling, (of the room the tent is in too) ANYTHING that is in that room and all things used in the grow!

Use a 1 part chlorine bleach to 9 parts water as the cleaner. Spray it on and leave it there! You can rinse off the pots and such when done but, leave the spray on everything else (the bleach smell will go away in time)

Now,,,start over...

It does look like a mite infestation of some nasty type.....
 
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Dr. Who

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i drenched the plants in Nuke Em a couple of days ago and then again this morning. the bottle says i can spray multiple times on application day so i'm going to wait a few hours and spray them again today. i cut off all the dead growth right before the first spraying and i am not seeing the mites spreading to other growth, but i'm still going to do another application day in a few days to make sure i kill any stragglers. really wanting to introduce some beneficials but idk if the Nuke Em will kill them as well.

You simply will not get them all with that product! PERIOD!

These mites are the hardest thing other then White flies to get ride of....

Oh, if you do get White flies.... Shut it down and move away..... You can't grow there again for some years!
 
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