HB4271 and Plant Counts

941mick said:

You have set amounts of how many plants and how many ounces you can possess. I don't see what the trouble is with understanding that just because you are"allowed" to grow 72 plants doesn't mean to grow 72 plants. You are given the responsibility to cultivate within the parameters of the law. If you know you only need to grow 4-5 plants to hit 15oz, only harvest and possess the contents of 4-5 plants at a time. If however you are not the greatest gardener and it takes 72 plants to hit 15oz, then grow 72 plants.

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That is the contradiction of law being sold brother. Strictly adhering to those limits as you portray (public legal opinion), no or very little overages can "legally" be available to supply these newly created and well organized entities, no less provide uninterrupted supply as designed. It's why so many MMMA patients and caregivers are currently in prison. Tweed's run in outsourcing with the RCMP in Canada is yet another example of these realities.

TheMan13 said:

My best educated guess is that CG/PT "overages" will not satisfy these licensed facilities market. They will then seek similar legislation on an expedited/emergency basis, then what I'm sure millions have already been invested in plan B

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But with the implementation of HB4271 cant organizations purely "manufacture" and use "agents" for transfers?

" A provisioning center agent shall not provide, transfer, or sell medical marihuana to an individual knowing that the individual is not a registered qualifying patient, registered primary caregiver, or provisioning center agent working on behalf of a provisioning center that is not prohibited from operating or obtaining medical marihuana from other provisioning centers under municipal law. "

941mick said:

But with the implementation of HB4271 cant organizations purely "manufacture" and use "agents" for transfers?

" A provisioning center agent shall not provide, transfer, or sell medical marihuana to an individual knowing that the individual is not a registered qualifying patient, registered primary caregiver, or provisioning center agent working on behalf of a provisioning center that is not prohibited from operating or obtaining medical marihuana from other provisioning centers under municipal law. "

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It's about MJ production, and that is currently left to CG/PT's and standing MMMA. Once that fails a third entity will be created and likely will be referred to as licensed production facilities. This also seems necessary to complete the point of sale framework's integrity that will be sold as the only means of protecting us (general population). We (CG/PTs) will have then failed our community, been replaced by our community and will likely become criminal outcasts once again. It all logically follows in dialectic, but that story line seems just too easy

TheMan13 said:

It's about MJ production, and that is currently left to CG/PT's and standing MMMA. Once that fails a third entity will be created and likely will be referred to as licensed production facilities. Also seems necessary to complete the point of sale framework that will be sold as means of protecting us. We will have then failed our community, been replaced by our community and will likely become criminals once again. It all logically follows in dialectic, but that story line seems just too east

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I don't see why any other production legislation would be needed, if with the implementation of HB4271 I could possibly grow as many plants as my local regulation dictates with the proper licensing. Then transfer everything to another center that sells it. If anything it is a warm up to CO style legalization.

like St0w said above, I don't give a shit as long as my legal gig I have going now doesn't get messed with. my patients and I am very content on the way I have things dialed in, and no one wants or sees the need to go into a big building for meds.

941mick said:

I don't see why any other production legislation would be needed, if with the implementation of HB4271 I could possibly grow as many plants as my local regulation dictates with the proper licensing. Then transfer everything to another center that sells it. If anything it is a warm up to CO style legalization.

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Exacly, CO style legalization I would argue is the model in use here. Although, it is specifically the closed loop of their recreational side (licensed production, quality assurance and delivery), not the grandfathered in medicinal laws they enjoy today. Wholly medicinal I would argue follows the Canadian plight ...

BTW the local regulation, regulators and licensing offed in HB4271 specifically do not apply to CG/PT, nor reference any production. We'll need to play by the MMMA rules just as we have until MMMA is replaced by true production legislation.

TheMan13 said:

Exacly, CO style legalization I would argue is the model in use here. Although, it is specifically the closed loop of their recreational side (licensed production thru delivery), not the grandfathered in medicinal laws they enjoy today. Wholly medicinal I would argue follows the Canadian plight ...

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It's actually not too closed loop. A caregiver doesn't even have to leave their house, if they have 15oz that a "center" wants to acquire.

941mick said:

It's actually not too closed loop. A caregiver doesn't even have to leave their house, if they have 15oz that a "center" wants to acquire.

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That's conflating the two separate systems (med v rec), which is not an option here. Recreational licences facilities could not exist without specific licensed production, quality assurance and delivery facilities. My point here is that their recreational model is going to fundamentally be our medicinal, not simply supplemental to recreational as they and WA currently enjoy. You cannot comprehensively build a model, be it economic or regulatory, without taking production, quality assurance and delivery into consideration as a whole. How can anyone believe how we've been forced to operate under MMMA as a CG/PT at the threat of law enforcement is an acceptable means of production? This a big logical hole that should be apparent to anyone who cares to see it before they feel it.