Greenthumbskunk
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I agree totally.
Heads up if you're around metro D.C
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I agree totally.
Fogdog
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There is a lot of cynicism today.
ttystikk
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On property is one thing. Inside the house is another.
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ttystikk
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Agreed on both counts.
The fact that the daylight between Democrats and Republicans is so thin is why I'm organizing with the Progressive Movement. There's a lot of room to the political Left in this country, because both the above parties are so far to the right.
Those of us who want to see a more liberal country have not been represented well it at all for at least 20 years and so building a movement to do it ourselves seems to be the only option left.
ttystikk
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It's not paranoia if it's true. A right wing government supporting fascists in the streets while engaging in wholesale spying on its own citizens with no accountability.
To say I'm alarmed at the direction America is headed understates my concerns greatly.
im4satori
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I think a better question would be
if its actually for public safety
lets see the numbers
how many people per year would have died or been seriously injured if not for this new law vs how likely is it the authority will use and abuse this loop whole to violate your civil rights
based on on the unjustified shootings and drugs being planted by authorities I wouldn't trust them for a millisecond
this is exactly the way it works they just keep moving the line a few feet at a time slowly and discretely
you add this type stuff together with the view points of jeff sessions, Ray Charles could see whats coming
being a bit older, my entire life ive never been worried my vehicle would be searched for no reason and now (in the past 10 years) every time I leave the house I drive past a cop searching someones car
they just slowly moved the line and before long we all just except it as if its the norm... but 20 or 30 years ago it wasn't! or at least it wasn't for me...im sure racisim comes into play for some folks and im sure theyres those with other experience than me
my point is its all the time now and random without just cause
if its actually for public safety
lets see the numbers
how many people per year would have died or been seriously injured if not for this new law vs how likely is it the authority will use and abuse this loop whole to violate your civil rights
based on on the unjustified shootings and drugs being planted by authorities I wouldn't trust them for a millisecond
this is exactly the way it works they just keep moving the line a few feet at a time slowly and discretely
you add this type stuff together with the view points of jeff sessions, Ray Charles could see whats coming
being a bit older, my entire life ive never been worried my vehicle would be searched for no reason and now (in the past 10 years) every time I leave the house I drive past a cop searching someones car
they just slowly moved the line and before long we all just except it as if its the norm... but 20 or 30 years ago it wasn't! or at least it wasn't for me...im sure racisim comes into play for some folks and im sure theyres those with other experience than me
my point is its all the time now and random without just cause
ttystikk
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You and I are seeing the very same thing.
Advancing authoritarianism, the tearing down of the walls of accountability and ever more extremism is leading this country in a direction I just flat fucking don't want to go.
What I find insane is the number of citizens who just shrug and think it won't affect them.
im4satori
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im not arguing the merits of these laws, im only pointing them out to say theres a huge difference in our society from 37 years ago
I remember going to the corner store with a note from mom to sell me cigerates (how the fuck to you spell cigerate) when I was 10 years old
I remember family members getting pulled over shit faced drunk and the police gave them a ride home
I remember playing with my toys on the floor at the bar while my parents got hammered and nobody thought anything of it
times have changed and in these cases for the better but somehow "public safety" turned into something different in the past 15 years
its not about protecting the public its about protecting the establishment now
police cars look like something straight out of a mad max film with all that gear
dark tinted windows.. the cars a built to intimidate
the lights are blinding, the police drive crazy aggressive, they got assault rifles and dogs they come in on you 5 cars at a time for nothing
they where combat fatigues for clothes
when I was a kid they drove 4 door old lady cars and wore funny hats with baby blue shirts, now they look like theyre fucking commandos
I remember going to the corner store with a note from mom to sell me cigerates (how the fuck to you spell cigerate) when I was 10 years old
I remember family members getting pulled over shit faced drunk and the police gave them a ride home
I remember playing with my toys on the floor at the bar while my parents got hammered and nobody thought anything of it
times have changed and in these cases for the better but somehow "public safety" turned into something different in the past 15 years
its not about protecting the public its about protecting the establishment now
police cars look like something straight out of a mad max film with all that gear
dark tinted windows.. the cars a built to intimidate
the lights are blinding, the police drive crazy aggressive, they got assault rifles and dogs they come in on you 5 cars at a time for nothing
they where combat fatigues for clothes
when I was a kid they drove 4 door old lady cars and wore funny hats with baby blue shirts, now they look like theyre fucking commandos
ttystikk
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/donald-trump-news-police-military-style-weapons-vehicles
Here's an article discussing the decision.
Naturally, cops are all for it and civil liberties organizations have grave concerns.
Considering what I've seen already over the past few years, I am on the side of the civil libertarians. The authoritarians have entirely enough toys for killing already.
ttystikk
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The planet didn't change; our country did. The corporatists took over and the decision was taken to pacify the population by force.
Those pesky civil rights just get in the way.
ttystikk
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If you don't want to argue the merits of increasingly draconian, civil rights violating legislation, then I most certainly will.
This country is in serious danger of falling off the edge of civility into authoritarianism- if it hasn't already.
We've invaded more countries since WWII than the Nazis ever did. We murder innocent people from the sky with impunity as a routine course of business- and we wonder why millions of people around the world fucking hate us?!
We don't need more "security". We need to separate corporations from their ability to control our government and our lives before they destroy the planet and kill everyone on it in the name of quarterly profits!
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A.K.A. Overgrowem
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Who will have the final say on raids now? The Judge was the executive on the case, slightly removed. Infallible detectives and honest as the day is long, sergeants are going to be answerable to ?????. On the dead dog front: The Fed. Circuit covering New York has ruled that an unlicensed dog is contraband and you cannot make a claim if/when the cops shoot it.
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ttystikk
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Gotta love it when they legalize killing animals. We're next.
im4satori
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ya see
that's exactly what the fuck im talking about
when those mother fuckers come to my house, im not thinking there here to protect and serve, im thinking how do I avoid getting my wife, myself and dog murdered
im4satori
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did you watch the tv series "handmade tales"
I didn't think id watch it or like it but my wife was watching and I got drawn in
it ended up being really really good and freaked me the fuck out lol
ttystikk
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And that's a fundamental problem with how our government works for the other 99% of us.
It's time we stopped letting the MSM divide us and unite to demand a better government with full accountability. That means bad actors don't just get a talking to, but fired and jailed, just like anyone else.
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ttystikk
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Hmmmm got a link? I don't watch a lot of TV anymore.
im4satori
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twostrokenut
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5 dissenters. very sad.