Heat Issues (HELP!!!!)

SneakerG

Member
My room is averaging 88 degrees and I'm flowering. It just starting getting this hight the last few days due to our temperature outside rising. I'm air cooling all of my lights and I have 3 sources of fresh air coming in as well. This is my first heat problem

1.) What are some quick methods to reduce the temperature of my room?
2.) I only have about 3 weeks left of flowering?
3.) How long does it take for this high temperaturen to damage my THC?

Thanks
 

SneakerG

Member
The only air leaving out the room is the air being pumped over the air cooled lights and out of the room.

should i be sucking more air/heat out of the room?
 

hammer6913

Well-Known Member
10 lights, 20ft x 20ft, all the lights are air cooled and I have 3 sources of fresh air being pumped in
The only air leaving out the room is the air being pumped over the air cooled lights and out of the room.

should i be sucking more air/heat out of the room?
i have fresh air coming through my lites from attic. i have an air scrubber to blow heat out of my room and i have heat issues in the summerif u can get it to 80 ull be ok i built my scrubber diy. there not that expensive just go to u tube and there are tons of vids to build 1
 

SneakerG

Member
1.) So your saying pump/blow the excess air coming out of my carbon filters out of my room and this will exhale extra heat out of my room?

2.) how long does it take for these high temperatures to damage my THC?
 

hammer6913

Well-Known Member
1.) So your saying pump/blow the excess air coming out of my carbon filters out of my room and this will exhale extra heat out of my room?

2.) how long does it take for these high temperatures to damage my THC?
i do not know how long it will take. r they showing stress? if so its possible theyll hermie so get it down soon some people are using water lines to cool lites with i was thinking get a 55 gal drum bury part of it run lines over lite and on ceiling and it will cool and recirculate it. there is threads here how to do that
 

SneakerG

Member
1.) There is no stress showing. So i would see stress in the plants when the THC is being damaged?

2.) Do you know of any threads that talk about or do you know when you can tell your plants THC is damaged before harvest? Or do I have to just wait and see for the finish product to tell if they are damaged?
 

hammer6913

Well-Known Member
2.) Do you know of any threads that talk about or do you know when you can tell your plants THC is damaged before harvest? Or do I have to just wait and see for the finish product to tell if they are damaged?[/QUOTE]



i dont know use google search if there is 1 on this site it will come up for any forum there are a lot of em out there do you have a magnifying device to look at ur trichomes? if not u can get one at radio shack for under 20 that will be a big help in viewing
 

meharmon

Member
More info is needed to fully solve your problem, such as your location (to know weather patterns), whether you use CO2, what types of lights, etc. I have experience with a room very similar to yours at about 18x18 running 9 lights of 600W HPS. To answer, I will assume each light you use is a 600W HPS, your outside air (ambient) temperature is <80 degrees. For the THC question, any heat stress will first cause the plant's growth to slow, which means its energy is not going into producing flowers/THC-- which is the biggest issue and is difficult to notice, but some signs are the curled edges of fan leaves. A plant sitting under a hot light will have a cola much hotter than the air temperature, so its likely your plants' tops are reaching 95+ if the air is 88 at plant height, which will damage trichomes/THC. (you can get a laser thermometer for under $20) Further damage will be seen in signs of wilting. If you are running that hot, your humidity may be rampant also, but with 3 incoming fans (CFM rating on fans is needed here to calculate) that should not be an issue. The question is what happens to the incoming air. If you have your room sealed in plastic and the only exiting air is through the hoods, I assume the intake portion of your hood vent is open to the air in the room. The rest of the air might be getting pushed out through cracks. If not then disregard, but one of the incoming fans should be devoted to the hood vent intake. For the hood vent setup, you should make 2 or three parallel paths instead of one series if you do have them in series (series adds heat to the next, so less heat is removed with each hop since the incoming air is already preheated, and parallel can avoid turns which diminish airflow). Also the vent ducting should be of the insulated variety. These hood changes (fresh air intake, insulated ducting, parallel) will have a relatively minor but important impact. The ducting radiation alone is enough to heat a room.
For your heat though, you will probably need an air conditioner, like a 25,000 BTU window style. I say this because its only March so you probably live in a hot part of the country and unless you've hit an early heat wave you probably have 100-110 degree grow room temps to look forward to if nothing changes. In lieu of that expensive item, you also need a vent or hose at the top of the room to suck away the hot air. Your intake fans should bring in air at floor level, and you may be better served using two as exhaust and one as intake, with one exhaust still routing through the lights but also pulling air from the rest of the room. If you have a crawlspace, air is cooler to intake from under there by a good amount. Your air mixing fans should be arranged to avoid mixing hot ceiling air if possible. If you are in a garage, insulate the roof of the garage (they usually aren't) and put styrofoam insulation sheets in front of the thin garage door. If the sun shines on the exterior of the room (like the garage door, or an exterior wall), find creative ways to shade the sun from hitting the house on that side such as a "sun shade", tarp or bamboo curtain.
If you have an insulated room protected from external sun exposure with vented lights, your intake of air should be enough assuming outside air is under 80. So there you go, lots of info but to recap the two biggest things are the hot top air venting in the short term, and sealed room A/C later with outside air venting though hoods. I assume no CO2 is used, but using it helps the plants cope with some of the heat, and if you do it might be cheaper to use once you seal off and use A/C rather than blowing CO2 away.
If you are running ten 600W HPS lamps, then your size would best be served by looking into induction (EFDL) lighting or even LED. Induction heat is low and LED is almost nothing. For comparisons, a 300W EFDL will outperform a 600W HPS easily because they're brighter and have a much better spectrum, as will LED (but they are more expensive, etc), so switching to either will pay for itself in electricity costs alone, with a ton of less heat to deal with. It really is best even if you don't have heat issues. If you are in California, its even more of a no-brainer given the cost of energy there. Just for comparison, a 400W HPS puts out much more heat with about ~20% usable light. I replaced one with a 400W induction (95% usable light) and added a 130W (listed as 240W model-- 100% usable light) LED, which combined put out much less heat than the HPS. The heat difference allows me to run the dehumidifier as needed without needing to run the A/C or bring in outside air.
Hope this helps! Good luck!
 
bypassing the room through the lights instead of pulling air from the room will help a little. it may come down to adding a roll in AC
 

meharmon

Member
Roll ins are great but you're limited to about 14k BTU. If the vent pulling air from room through hoods is the only vent you have now, it will probably make things worse because you need to get rid of the hot air directly, or simply have a hole in the roof for it to escape. GL!
 

sir rance alot

Active Member
Getting the heat out from those lights are only some of the problem... The housing of the lights are still putting off radiant heat. You need to exhaust the room as well as the lights.
You need room exhaust just so you can get plenty of Co2 circulating around the plants. The more Co2 you can circulate the more heat they can tolerate.

If you get some fresh air flowing in the room then those temps will be fine. I almost wish I had that problem, my problem is I can get my temps to go up or down.
 
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