Heaths Flooded Tube Vertical

smokemupm8

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So just a tad over your expected average of .5 oz. per plant? What an impressive score per watt and sq. ft. that is!

Out of curiosity, did you monitor the amount of water your setup consumed over the entire project?

Superb setup, nice cycle, clean journal, competent grower. Who could ask for anything more? :mrgreen:
This was one of my tops from a 400w single grow.. yielded 8oz dry bud at harvesthttps://www.rollitup.org/groups/aussie-growers-club-picture2182183-nice-top-b4-harvest.jpg
 

Corso312

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o.k. so you got 8 ounces on a 400 watt light..that is about 224 grams or .52 grams per watt..heath got 2 grams per watt roughly 4 times what you pulled...he would pull around 800 grams with your 400 watt light or 31 ounces.
 

oceangreen

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o.k. so you got 8 ounces on a 400 watt light..that is about 224 grams or .52 grams per watt..heath got 2 grams per watt roughly 4 times what you pulled...he would pull around 800 grams with your 400 watt light or 31 ounces.
ok listen.. its very hard to pull off 2g a watt...just because this guy can do it doesn't mean, everybody can.... and its too inconsistent to be shooting for that every time.....

Which is why I stated its impractical to follow this guy exact grow, with the idea to pull off 2g/w.

Like I said there are better ways to get that yield....
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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ok listen.. its very hard to pull off 2g a watt...just because this guy can do it doesn't mean, everybody can.... and its too inconsistent to be shooting for that every time.....

Which is why I stated its impractical to follow this guy exact grow, with the idea to pull off 2g/w.

Like I said there are better ways to get that yield....
you aren't getting yields over 1.5-1.75gpw with a horizontal bulb. the most efficient way as of now to get those yields is using vertical lighting. you basically more than double the footprint of the bulb. the technique and style may vary (i.e. stadium, colisseum, rotating system) but the principle is the same. if you know of a "better way to get that yield" then please share because i've been growing a long time and that is the most efficient way i have seen.
 

oceangreen

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you aren't getting yields over 1.5-1.75gpw with a horizontal bulb. the most efficient way as of now to get those yields is using vertical lighting. you basically more than double the footprint of the bulb. the technique and style may vary (i.e. stadium, colisseum, rotating system) but the principle is the same. if you know of a "better way to get that yield" then please share because i've been growing a long time and that is the most efficient way i have seen.

I don't not mean the lighting, I meant the entire set up and method. I will put up a thread soon

In no way am I bashing, but this set up is in no way for the noob...
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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I don't not mean the lighting, I meant the entire set up and method. I will put up a thread soon

In no way am I bashing, but this set up is in no way for the noob...
you can change the setup/technique however you want. it's the footprint i am talking about. colisseum grow is not the setup; it's the footprint. you can set it up using RDWC buckets, soil, rockwool flood trays, etc... just depends on how handy you are. the layout of the footprint is what is so efficient.

plus, this setup is not that complicated for a newb. it's a hydro setup just like most others. what is a little complicated is the construction. that would require someone who has a little "handyman" knowledge. you could make the same setup for soil out of some simple angled shelves.
 

Corso312

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agreed, this set up runs itself...it is a brilliant design and I could train a chimpanzee to pull massive harvests off this system ... I have been growing for close to ten years and have never sniffed 2 grams a watt..and this guy used no co2 or a.c. ...I will build a set up like this down the road..the only thing that I don't like it the access to the inside perimeter or lack thereof.
 

sqydro

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agreed access is shit, and u cant get much simpler once system is built put cuts in fill sytem flip and maintain! easy! i think its a great design easily maintained and restocked after a quick flush. look forward to the thread OF
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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if you did the same setup but for soil you could just make 4 shelf systems in a circle around the light and then put one of them on wheels. that way you just slide it out whenever you want to get inside.
 

sqydro

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soil makes me sick in everyway most un efficent and disgusting way of growing IMO coco would be all id be willing to do but still lugging to many bags about :(
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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soil makes me sick in everyway most un efficent and disgusting way of growing IMO coco would be all id be willing to do but still lugging to many bags about :(
i've grown both soil and hydro for over 12 years and soil is a LOT easier than hydro. less work, less mess, less tweaking, less room for error, less maintenance, less checking. overall just easier in my opinion. hydro is quicker for sure...especially in veg but in my experience there really is no difference in yield.
 

sqydro

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i've grown both soil and hydro for over 12 years and soil is a LOT easier than hydro. less work, less mess, less tweaking, less room for error, less maintenance, less checking. overall just easier in my opinion. hydro is quicker for sure...especially in veg but in my experience there really is no difference in yield.
less mess? in soil lol i beg to differ, all u need in hydro esp DWC is some clay balls in a net pot and water. sure its more maintainance but for a better result imo. less chance of pests etc as well in hydro

each to there own though i see alot of great grows in soil its just not for me. and certainly not for this HYDRO thread ;0)
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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less mess? in soil lol i beg to differ, all u need in hydro esp DWC is some clay balls in a net pot and water. sure its more maintainance but for a better result imo. less chance of pests etc as well in hydro

each to there own though i see alot of great grows in soil its just not for me. and certainly not for this HYDRO thread ;0)
i think this thread evolved past "just" a hydro thread 400 posts ago. :eyesmoke: for me soil is less mess and maintenance. cleaning hydroton afterward is more time consuming to me than dumping some soil for reuse into a 55 gallon drum. plus, with soil all i have to do is stick my plant in a pot. set the pots up on a flood tray with a drain fitting and when i get runoff i empty a 5 gallon bucket sitting under the drain. when you use fabric pots it's even less mess than that cause you don't even get runoff after you learn to watch the pot.

like you said though...to each their own. neither soil nor hydro produces a better yield or quality as opposed to the other. hydro is faster though.
 

oceangreen

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i think this htread evolved past "just" a hydro thread 400 posts ago. :eyesmoke: for me soil is less mess and maintenance. cleaning hydroton afterward is more time consuming to me than dumping some soil for reuse into a 55 gallon drum. plus, with soil all i have to do is stick my plant in a pot. set the pots up on a flood tray with a drain fitting and when i get runoff i empty a 5 gallon bucket sitting under the drain. when you use fabric pots it's even less mess than that cause you don't even get runoff after you learn to watch the pot.

like you said though...to each their own. neither soil nor hydro produces a better yield or quality as opposed to the other. hydro is faster though.
ditch the hydroton, use sure to grow cubes or neoprene, blue lab peridoser.... have a recirculating system.. with easy access to drain and faucet.

You can get by checking once every 2 weeks and just having the major rez changes
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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ditch the hydroton, use sure to grow cubes or neoprene, blue lab peridoser.... have a recirculating system.. with easy access to drain and faucet.

You can get by checking once every 2 weeks and just having the major rez changes
i've heard some horror stories about that stuff. lots of guys running into problems when they tried "sure to grow" medium. i grow in 4" rockwool blocks in mesh pots on flood tables. tables are filled with hydroton too. it's a recirculating system. i'm switching out to under current slowly though. much more efficient, larger plants, less nutes.
 

oceangreen

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i've heard some horror stories about that stuff. lots of guys running into problems when they tried "sure to grow" medium. i grow in 4" rockwool blocks in mesh pots on flood tables. tables are filled with hydroton too. it's a recirculating system. i'm switching out to under current slowly though. much more efficient, larger plants, less nutes.
what horror stories?... they retain water fine and the are easy to germinate in.. dont have to deal with dust or ph issues..
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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i use rockwool now but as i am switching over to under current slowly i am trying out aero systems for veg. you really wanna go bare root in UC systems.

i've just heard of people having problems with STG. i'm not gonna bash them and maybe someday i'll try them out but i really don't think i'll be trying them anytime soon.
 

Green Troll

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Finally got to the end of this thread!

Heath, you have inspired me to build a system like this for myself. Currently i am designing something very similar in AutoCAD. The main differences i am making is access on one side, slightly bigger (5 and a half feet across internally), 12" spacings and 6 rows instead of 4. I just want to say thanks for giving us all the details we need to copy this genius idea.

Once i get this thing built and running, i will start a journal and let you all know how it goes.
 
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