++Hellraizers++ DO AND DONTs and in and outs of the ebb&grow/ebb&flow systems

Beachside said:

Ok so after reading all this I have a few questions; The flow and grow seems to be the choice do I need to raise them off the ground still or have the new pots overcome this? has anyone tried the sentinal yet? Also am I correct in reading that you were flooding three times a day but have started to flood only twice and have seen an improvement in the type of root grow?

Thanks! I have been considering trying one of these systems for a while...

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Veg flood times should be x1 to x2 during lights on when using growdan, reason for this is to allow the roots to search
and branch out in the medium= later in Large root mass!

bloom flood time i like x3 as im not wanting my roots to search!

if using the cap system you will need to raise the buckets, the titan i believe is already raised!
and i would love to see somebody use the sentinal

just build your own system. Its stupid easy and dirt cheap.

I was thinking of building a system but I really like the idea of not having to raise the buckets and it being more safe to walk around. So if I buy the buckets with the nice Bottoms the price starts to even out. I am considering the as the water alarm sounds pro but the price is kinda steep. I have some plants in there for the next 8 weeks any how sow I have a bit of time to think on it. This thread has been great!

i have run the ebb and grow for a while with good success and have since bought the flo n grow and am 28 days in my first run with it. the flo n grow does not have raised bottom sites like the ebb and grow but i have no issue with this because im running a large air pump and stone in each site so im flooding much more often than i did with the ebb and grow, this swaps the sitting water out more often and has a stone in there anyway. the one thing im loving about the titan is they make fabric inserts for the inners to allow you to run pretty much any medium you want, im running perlite in my system now and love the stuff. all in all i like both systems but the flo n grow is defiantly a step up, people have had issues with the cap being a reliable system but i can say mine was given to a friend/patient and its still running with no issue today. i dont mind spending the cash for the pre fabbed systems as it has payed for itself 1000x over in the time i have run it.

here is a panoramic shot. its hard to get the room in one shot cause its so long.

Fing jungle in there drg

hellraizer30 said:

Fing jungle in there drg

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lol it is indeed, that is one packed 4x8 space and i gotta say im loving the perlite, plants seem to be healthier with thicker stems. im thinking the fabric is keeping more roots in the pot circling it rather than just coming straight out the bottom, but i have also been running protekt religiously in this run to so that may be why the stems are much thicker than normal.

drgreentm said:

lol it is indeed, that is one packed 4x8 space and i gotta say im loving the perlite, plants seem to be healthier with thicker stems. im thinking the fabric is keeping more roots in the pot circling it rather than just coming straight out the bottom, but i have also been running protekt religiously in this run to so that may be why the stems are much thicker than normal.

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Silica is a huge factor in stem production! Wish when i was banging the ebb i would of given perlite a shot!
i used it in a top drip setup and was buano for my moms

hopfully soon i will break out the big guns a run it like i used to

hellraizer30 said:

Silica is a huge factor in stem production! Wish when i was banging the ebb i would of given perlite a shot!
i used it in a top drip setup and was buano for my moms

hopfully soon i will break out the big guns a run it like i used to

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i love it, cheap and effective break out the big guns man!! i know you want to

drgreentm said:

i love it, cheap and effective break out the big guns man!! i know you want to

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I want to lol your one of the few that can remember how it used to be

how often do you flood when you first put clones in the flood table? Im using Rapid rooters to clone and i place them in just a little higher than the flood line. I always try and water as least as possible from the top as it seems to soak the RR and cause some sort of stall during the stretch phase.

I just got an RO filter and plan on using it with my aero cloner as I think it would be less hassle to have roots long enough to directly feed from the flood right from the start. Using my tap water i still had no roots going on 3 weeks.

I just ned to get over this 1 hump so I can get some serious meds going. Im using 2 trays and looking to run a month to month perpetual. Any advise would be apreciated. Thanks guys.

X2 for 15min........hxvoc

Perlite huh? I have always thought that would be the best medium but was told it would float. Those smart pot like liners do the trick? So what is the reason for the net pot or do you take that out?

Beachside said:

Perlite huh? I have always thought that would be the best medium but was told it would float. Those smart pot like liners do the trick? So what is the reason for the net pot or do you take that out?

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Still use the net bucket but the liner stops perlite from geting into the drain lines!
perlite only floats if you float real high

hellraizer30 said:

Still use the net bucket but the liner stops perlite from geting into the drain lines!
perlite only floats if you float real high

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Yup exactly

thought i would post up some pics of how i manage my growdan loose fill
before planting.

fresh clean water, and fill the bins up 3/4 full
adjust ph to 5.5
add growdan, make sure to break up real good.
let soak for a few hours, i leave mine over night.

before i use i drain off all water, through a drain in the totes.
this allows all the junk in the medium to drain out. now its
readdy to use

nice pics HR. I am finally adjusting to the rockwool loose fill. I didnt properly flush it before use so my ph was through the roof. Now that it is under control, that plants are taking off. One major difference i have noticed compared to sure-to-grow is the HUGE trunks that develop in rockwool. STG always produced tiny trunks.

georgeforeman said:

nice pics HR. I am finally adjusting to the rockwool loose fill. I didnt properly flush it before use so my ph was through the roof. Now that it is under control, that plants are taking off. One major difference i have noticed compared to sure-to-grow is the HUGE trunks that develop in rockwool. STG always produced tiny trunks.

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Thats good there pulling through! Breaking up the growdan loose is super important and draining it out before use.
seting up a station like in the pics make life so much better

how do you break it up? i did not do that step, i just soaked/cleaned and planted. i have the grow cubes that are smaller than grow chucks.
I am surprised that you do this since i thought there would be more air inbetween cubes and if you break it up, it would be more dense in the pot.

Grow Chunks = 3/4 inch square
Grow Cubes = 1/2 inch square

or maybe your using gro-wool?

and for anyone who is interested, i will be switching from pure blend pro to cultured solutions. No more organics here, too much of a hassle.

georgeforeman said:

how do you break it up? i did not do that step, i just soaked/cleaned and planted. i have the grow cubes that are smaller than grow chucks.
I am surprised that you do this since i thought there would be more air inbetween cubes and if you break it up, it would be more dense in the pot.

Grow Chunks = 3/4 inch square
Grow Cubes = 1/2 inch square

or maybe your using gro-wool?

and for anyone who is interested, i will be switching from pure blend pro to cultured solutions. No more organics here, too much of a hassle.

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Yep grow wool is loose fill/flock, thats what i use.

the chunk and cubes are better to use but cost more, so i buy flock and put some labor into it

in your case george just make sure you drain off the water after soaking, this will help in the high ph