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Westcoastguy80

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For about the last week my plants have been sick and getting worse each day.
Using a 1 gallon hydro setup with 5 plants and CFL lights.

They were growing great and heathy for a while and then growth stopped and the leaves started wilting.
I noticed about 1-2 days ago there was a bit of algae buildup on the oxygen stone which I cleaned off.

There is moon dust nutrients added.
Out of desperation I tried adding epsom salts for magnesium and Schultz plant food to no avail.

I checked the PH with litmus paper and it seems to be around 5-6.
I just want my girls to be healthy and start growing again.
Please help ASAP!!!
 

Merlot

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What changed between them being healthy to them fading?

I'm by no leans exp, but logic would dictate that something changed, so think upon it....
 

rob333

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For about the last week my plants have been sick and getting worse each day.
Using a 1 gallon hydro setup with 5 plants and CFL lights.

They were growing great and heathy for a while and then growth stopped and the leaves started wilting.
I noticed about 1-2 days ago there was a bit of algae buildup on the oxygen stone which I cleaned off.

There is moon dust nutrients added.
Out of desperation I tried adding epsom salts for magnesium and Schultz plant food to no avail.

I checked the PH with litmus paper and it seems to be around 5-6.
I just want my girls to be healthy and start growing again.
Please help ASAP!!!
pics would be a big help
 

Westcoastguy80

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Honestly not sure, what changed to be honest.
I did leave them a little long without changing water which might have made them too acidic but I quickly changed the water.
I filter the water before adding nutes. It's a 1 gallon tub.

The roots are fairly healthy and the very lowest are jus a tad slimy but they are almost all still an off white with no root rot.
 

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Bugeye

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So they are a little slimy and off white but have no rot? Because that sort of sounds like how root rot starts out.
 

Westcoastguy80

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For the most part they look almost 100% healthy with a off white color.
They are barely slimy at all jus one or two roots at the bottom.
I noticed a bit of algae buildup on the water stone a few days ago which I quickly cleaned off.

Even if that was blocking the O2, they are only getting worse.
I'm guessing a nutrient lockout....?
 

rob333

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Honestly not sure, what changed to be honest.
I did leave them a little long without changing water which might have made them too acidic but I quickly changed the water.
I filter the water before adding nutes. It's a 1 gallon tub.

The roots are fairly healthy and the very lowest are jus a tad slimy but they are almost all still an off white with no root rot.
kinda looks like nute burn how much did u feed them ??
 

Westcoastguy80

New Member
I gave them the reccomended amount of about 1/4 of a teaspoon.

Should I change reservoir to only filtered water for now?

They are really close to dying and I dont know to do.
 

Bugeye

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Looking at your photo, I would have to say it is either poor O2 from either an inadequate bubbler or from rez temps being too high, combined with the onset of root rot. Hope your figure it out!
 

Westcoastguy80

New Member
Hmm. The bubbler is running 24/7 and I can see the bubbles in the water. I don't know the rez temp.
I'll put them in just h20 and see if that helps I guess.
 

Bugeye

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Well they are starving for oxygen and not getting nutes. How about a pic of your bubbler? I would think one bubbler, if small, to be inadequate for 6 plants. You gotta know your rez temp too. Too warm and the water won't hold oxygen very well.
 

SweetHayz

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I am no expert. Me personally i've been seeking help on this forums aswell. But to me it looks like a nute burn. You should use TDS meter to control ur nutes. How do u feed them. How often and how often u change the water? What is your water level? You might also be drowning them. You shoudn't be using soil on hydroponics as it holds water. Is the soil wet? Not to mention u can build up bacteria/fungi. You might also be drowning them. What are u using for ph down? If its hydrochloric acid is killing ur plants. What nutes are u using to feed them. NPK ratio and what kind of Nitrogen. Is it urea? Also ur plant does not need as much Mg because it is not main ingredient to the plant diet.

Id recommend u pull out half container and add some fresh water,that will drop ur nutes with 50% and readjust the pH.
Make sure to keep the water level low far from the pots as u might as well be drowning them.
 
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SweetHayz

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Well they are starving for oxygen and not getting nutes. How about a pic of your bubbler? I would think one bubbler, if small, to be inadequate for 6 plants. You gotta know your rez temp too. Too warm and the water won't hold oxygen very well.
I've seen DWC with no bubbler so i don't believe that is the case. As for hungry,over nute lockout usually the plant is moving the nutes from the bottom leaves using them to feed the premature fresh leaves at the top. Also the top leaves will be brighter due lack of N. He has burns on the all over the plants. Rez temp could be an issue. It should be maintained 68-70 F.
 
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Westcoastguy80

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I have TDS or PH meter at the moment. They are in just water, no soil.
I'll dump a little water just to make sure plants arent drowning.
Changing water almost everyday now but was changing 2-3 days before.

I have a feeling the nute lockout is from the water being too acidic.
I just changed the water and added a super small amount of nutes.
Roots still good but getting a little dingy near the bottom.

Should I add baking soda if this continues?
 

JohnySmith1

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Hi, sorry mate but I have some bad news for you. Your plants look like they are on the end of their life, if there is a chance to fix the problem, it will take longer then starting a new growth.
I will suggest you to stop messing around with hydro, especially with DWC, unless you are ready to invest some money. Apart of bucket with air pump you also will need a water chiller, nutrient concentration and pH monitor, water filtration system and some good lights. On top of this you will have too learn a lot about DWC.
Keep it as simple as you can, cannabis is extremely easy to grow. 99% of the time growers make it difficult for them self. Just buy some organic nutrients and organic soil, personally recommend Plant Magic (oldtimer range). Use 10 litres pots for auto-flowering strains and 20 litres for photo period depended strains. Water once a week or when the pot is light on lift, follow PM oldtmer schedule.
 

Oddjob

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Hi, sorry mate but I have some bad news for you. Your plants look like they are on the end of their life, if there is a chance to fix the problem, it will take longer then starting a new growth.
I will suggest you to stop messing around with hydro, especially with DWC, unless you are ready to invest some money. Apart of bucket with air pump you also will need a water chiller, nutrient concentration and pH monitor, water filtration system and some good lights. On top of this you will have too learn a lot about DWC.
Keep it as simple as you can, cannabis is extremely easy to grow. 99% of the time growers make it difficult for them self. Just buy some organic nutrients and organic soil, personally recommend Plant Magic (oldtimer range). Use 10 litres pots for auto-flowering strains and 20 litres for photo period depended strains. Water once a week or when the pot is light on lift, follow PM oldtmer schedule.
True that man. Hydro is brilliant when you have all things dialed in, like things named above. Westcoastguy80 it's much easier to start in soil, you have more wiggle room for error.
 

SweetHayz

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you also will need a water chiller, nutrient concentration, water filtration system and some good lights.
"Water chiller". It is not necessary as there is plenty of other methods to cool down ur container and im gonna start buy keeping the room temperature at the range needed for the container or if its too hot add ice coolers in the water or simply place the container on the ground that way the ground is gonna be cooling it off keeping it always cooler than the room temp.

"Nutrient concentration". As far as my research any nutrient which in NOT organic would do the job. Organic nutes will build up bacteria that might cause root rot. And the other important thing is u need nitrogen in the form of Nitric, NOT urea as urea is organic which releases ammoniacal over time and then u need bacteria which is found in the soil to turn the ammoniacal into nitrate for the plants to absorb it.

"pH down" are made our of sulfuric acid. So instead of paying crazy money for Hydro pH down got at the nearby DIY store and get urself Sulfuric acid, then mix it 10:1 with RO / DI water and u have ur high quality pH down. Test it separately a few drops could drastically drop ur pH. (be careful concentrated sulfuric acid burns badly so always use safety gloves)

"water filtration system" what u talking about? Filtering the tap water before adding it to the container?
Not necessary. But would be nice. He can use mineral/salt free DI water from the general store for less than 50p per gallon. With reading of 6ppm. He need to change the water every 4-5 days that's 3 pounds a week.

True that man. Hydro is brilliant when you have all things dialed in, like things named above. Westcoastguy80 it's much easier to start in soil, you have more wiggle room for error.
Its always easy when u have everything for it. But when u don't it makes it more complicating tho not impossible.
I'm new to DWC, I had my girl suffering badly because i used Vinegar for pH down and Nutes with 14% urea N due lack of knowledge. Now is getting back to life and it almost fully recovered in two days from over one week pain.

Should I add baking soda if this continues?
"Baking soda" Definitely not. It contains Sodium which will kill ur plants.

As far for the plants. They still have plenty of life in them. Don't cut their nutes completely. In my opinion give them half to what u used to give them until u see them starting to recover and regularly adjust ur pH. And make sure the water level is far below the pots so that the bubbles from the water will get the roots wet but not ur soil. Id also get rid of the soil and add some hydroton because the soil can be drowning them.
 

JohnySmith1

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"Water chiller". It is not necessary as there is plenty of other methods to cool down ur container and im gonna start buy keeping the room temperature at the range needed for the container or if its too hot add ice coolers in the water or simply place the container on the ground that way the ground is gonna be cooling it off keeping it always cooler than the room temp.
Chiller for DWC is necessary equipment! It's not recommended to keep your grow room at below 25 or above 30 degrees Celsius. No matter what you do, with in 24 hours your reservoir will get close to your room temperature. And that is more than enough for algae to start forming. To prevent algae, you need to keep reservoir at 18-19 degrees Celsius. Bags with ice, is not the way. it might work for the firs month, soon after, there will be no space for you bags. And do you really want to replace this bags 3+ times a day?

"Nutrient concentration". As far as my research any nutrient which in NOT organic would do the job. Organic nutes will build up bacteria that might cause root rot. And the other important thing is u need nitrogen in the form of Nitric, NOT urea as urea is organic which releases ammoniacal over time and then u need bacteria which is found in the soil to turn the ammoniacal into nitrate for the plants to absorb it.
A actually meant "the nutrient concentration and pH monitor" I think that's how I wrote it. Anyway, this tool usually dose 3 jobs, monitors the pH, EC, a reservoir temperature, and it's very important. From changes of this 3 units expert will know exactly what plant needs.
"pH down" are made our of sulfuric acid. So instead of paying crazy money for Hydro pH down got at the nearby DIY store and get urself Sulfuric acid, then mix it 10:1 with RO / DI water and u have ur high quality pH down. Test it separately a few drops could drastically drop ur pH. (be careful concentrated sulfuric acid burns badly so always use safety gloves)

"water filtration system" what u talking about? Filtering the tap water before adding it to the container?
Not necessary. But would be nice. He can use mineral/salt free DI water from the general store for less than 50p per gallon. With reading of 6ppm. He need to change the water every 4-5 days that's 3 pounds a week.

It's necessary, for filtering solid contamination from air pump and root mass, and precipitations from incorrect nutrient ratio.
As well as it will always keep your water running, which is good for even nutrient distribution through the reservoir.
 

JohnySmith1

Well-Known Member
"Water chiller". It is not necessary as there is plenty of other methods to cool down ur container and im gonna start buy keeping the room temperature at the range needed for the container or if its too hot add ice coolers in the water or simply place the container on the ground that way the ground is gonna be cooling it off keeping it always cooler than the room temp.

"Nutrient concentration". As far as my research any nutrient which in NOT organic would do the job. Organic nutes will build up bacteria that might cause root rot. And the other important thing is u need nitrogen in the form of Nitric, NOT urea as urea is organic which releases ammoniacal over time and then u need bacteria which is found in the soil to turn the ammoniacal into nitrate for the plants to absorb it.

"pH down" are made our of sulfuric acid. So instead of paying crazy money for Hydro pH down got at the nearby DIY store and get urself Sulfuric acid, then mix it 10:1 with RO / DI water and u have ur high quality pH down. Test it separately a few drops could drastically drop ur pH. (be careful concentrated sulfuric acid burns badly so always use safety gloves)

"water filtration system" what u talking about? Filtering the tap water before adding it to the container?
Not necessary. But would be nice. He can use mineral/salt free DI water from the general store for less than 50p per gallon. With reading of 6ppm. He need to change the water every 4-5 days that's 3 pounds a week.



Its always easy when u have everything for it. But when u don't it makes it more complicating tho not impossible.
I'm new to DWC, I had my girl suffering badly because i used Vinegar for pH down and Nutes with 14% urea N due lack of knowledge. Now is getting back to life and it almost fully recovered in two days from over one week pain.



"Baking soda" Definitely not. It contains Sodium which will kill ur plants.

As far for the plants. They still have plenty of life in them. Don't cut their nutes completely. In my opinion give them half to what u used to give them until u see them starting to recover and regularly adjust ur pH. And make sure the water level is far below the pots so that the bubbles from the water will get the roots wet but not ur soil. Id also get rid of the soil and add some hydroton because the soil can be drowning them.
Chiller for DWC is necessary equipment! It's not recommended to keep your grow room at below 25 or above 30 degrees Celsius. No matter what you do, with in 24 hours your reservoir will get close to your room temperature. And that is more than enough for algae to start forming. To prevent algae, you need to keep reservoir at 18-19 degrees Celsius. Bags with ice, is not the way. it might work for the firs month, soon after, there will be no space for you bags. And do you really want to replace this bags 3+ times a day?

About the nutrient concentration
I actually meant "the nutrient concentration and pH monitor" I think that's how I wrote it. Anyway, this tool usually dose 3 jobs, monitors the pH, EC, a reservoir temperature, and it's very important. From changes of this 3 units expert will know exactly what plant needs.

water filtration is necessary, for filtering solid contamination from air pump and root mass, and precipitations from incorrect nutrient ratio.
As well as it will always keep your water running, which is good for even nutrient distribution through the reservoir.
 
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