help! boron, iron, & zinc deficiency!

cannakis

cannakis

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roldgoldrlg said:
I love it:) a lot of people use the catalyst religiously. I think it's called x-tlyst or something In the u.k. I've got the whole organic lineup incase the girls need something I don't know the raw source of nutrient yet! I add it to my tea because I aerate my earth juice blends the same way...until the sweet smell of molasses turned into an earthy/almost fermented at times, but definitely gets an earthy scent as the sugars "eat" and process the beneficial bacteria in the worm castings etc...I THINK?:) Don't quote me on that one:)

Check out 3 little birds, or 3lbs earth juice. Some great information on the ingredients and use of earth juice. I feel like I'm cheating sometimes using a bottle.
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Haha yeah I Am trying to get away from that, I was wondering/thinking it was a bottle... Hold on let me look... Damn they have so much, what do you use? The only bottled nute I go with is Blue Mountain Organics look em up on eBay.

But the 3lb sisters are really good.! Haha I love the name spelled that way. I should actually read some more of there stuff.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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cannakis said:
Haha yeah I Am trying to get away from that, I was wondering/thinking it was a bottle... Hold on let me look... Damn they have so much, what do you use? The only bottled nute I go with is Blue Mountain Organics look em up on eBay.

But the 3lb sisters are really good.! Haha I love the name spelled that way. I should actually read some more of there stuff.
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Sorry to hear you're having problems with your ladies.
I'm curious, what exactly did you amend the soil with, i'm fairly confident it's not a deficiency, from glancing over your posts it appears you had plenty of micronutes/kelp in your soil, i'd be more concerned with too much food, as is more often the case with first-time soil mixes. I know I did... years ago, I wanted to get every nutrient available and even in small amounts it turned out to be too much, either that or it wasn't aged much.
in your post a while back you mentioned caw manure (could be horse, cant remember) powdered molasess (I kinda don't like this), and a couple others, I'm going off memory, so please refresh it for me? Trying to help you out before you start trying to correct issues you may or may not have
 
AllenHaze

AllenHaze

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Jaaaaaa. Boron deficiency isn't exactly common. For your fungus gnats you can mix in some neem cake or add crab shell to your mix. The crab shell will encourage chitin eating microbes to thrive. Chitin is the material many insects shells are made of. Would help to know your mix too as greasemonkeymann said. :)
 
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cannakis

cannakis

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greasemonkeymann said:
Sorry to hear you're having problems with your ladies.
I'm curious, what exactly did you amend the soil with, i'm fairly confident it's not a deficiency, from glancing over your posts it appears you had plenty of micronutes/kelp in your soil, i'd be more concerned with too much food, as is more often the case with first-time soil mixes. I know I did... years ago, I wanted to get every nutrient available and even in small amounts it turned out to be too much, either that or it wasn't aged much.
in your post a while back you mentioned caw manure (could be horse, cant remember) powdered molasess (I kinda don't like this), and a couple others, I'm going off memory, so please refresh it for me? Trying to help you out before you start trying to correct issues you may or may not have
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Awesome yeah that's what I Am thinking... It's dry molasses, which is soy meal sprayed with molasses. Cow, ewc, blood, bone, kelp, humic, fulvic, lime, gypsum, oyster shells, blue granite rocks, rye grass seed and hulls, used promix mycho, alfalfa cubes, and I think that is it. I used it at the ratios suggested.
 
cannakis

cannakis

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AllenHaze said:
Jaaaaaa. Boron deficiency isn't exactly common. For your fungus gnats you can mix in some neem cake or add crab shell to your mix. The crab shell will encourage chitin eating microbes to thrive. Chitin is the material many insects shells are made of. Would help to know your mix too as greasemoneymann said. :)
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Awesome thanks I will try it out.
 
greasemonkeymann

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cannakis said:
Awesome yeah that's what I Am thinking... It's dry molasses, which is soy meal sprayed with molasses. Cow, ewc, blood, bone, kelp, humic, fulvic, lime, gypsum, oyster shells, blue granite rocks, rye grass seed and hulls, used promix mycho, alfalfa cubes, and I think that is it. I used it at the ratios suggested.
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cow manure, soy meal, blood meal AND alfalfa? That is a LOT of nitrogen right there...
I think you may have overthought the soil mix, dial it back a bit.. I am almost positive you have too much nutrients.
What were the suggested ratios, and who suggested it?
and did you age the soil, that is way too hot of a soil to use fresh. Way too hot to use in general, in my opinion, you didn't do anything out of ordinary man, like I said, I burned ladies in my first organic soil too.
 
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greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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cannakis said:
Haha yeah I Am trying to get away from that, I was wondering/thinking it was a bottle... Hold on let me look... Damn they have so much, what do you use? The only bottled nute I go with is Blue Mountain Organics look em up on eBay.

But the 3lb sisters are really good.! Haha I love the name spelled that way. I should actually read some more of there stuff.
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ah crap, just saw that, I really hope you aren't adding any nutes?
 
roldgoldrlg

roldgoldrlg

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Good old school water. I can't believe I'm calling plain water (the plants best friend) old school. I'm getting older....shit! That wasn't supposed to happen:)
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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cannakis said:
no but i was making a flowering tea to add...
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I wouldn't add a flowering tea. I really think you have too many/much amendments in there, did you age the soil and how much of the nutes did you add? I cannot help if I don't know theses details, also pics would be helpful.
if you really want to add a tea i'd add a good AACT
 
roldgoldrlg

roldgoldrlg

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greasemonkeymann said:
I wouldn't add a flowering tea. I really think you have too many/much amendments in there, did you age the soil and how much of the nutes did you add? I cannot help if I don't know theses details, also pics would be helpful.
if you really want to add a tea i'd add a good AACT
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YES!
 
cannakis

cannakis

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greasemonkeymann said:
I wouldn't add a flowering tea. I really think you have too many/much amendments in there, did you age the soil and how much of the nutes did you add? I cannot help if I don't know theses details, also pics would be helpful.
if you really want to add a tea i'd add a good AACT
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Yeah thats what im doing. i did cook it for more than a month like four weeks. i also added charcoal to soil unsoaked! umm like a gallon for base materials, half for some, for everu cuft. and like one cup kelp blood etc, two cups lime and gypsum, and quarter cup fulvic and three quarter cup humic.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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cannakis said:
Yeah thats what im doing. i did cook it for more than a month like four weeks. i also added charcoal to soil unsoaked! umm like a gallon for base materials, half for some, for everu cuft. and like one cup kelp blood etc, two cups lime and gypsum, and quarter cup fulvic and three quarter cup humic.
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I have a feeling its the molasses, and/or the manure and blood meal being too hot, blood meal is very, very, water soluble, and I imagine a powdered molasses would be as well.
and was that two cups of lime per cubic foot? I wouldn't add that much personally
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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cannakis said:
Yeah thats what im doing. i did cook it for more than a month like four weeks. i also added charcoal to soil unsoaked! umm like a gallon for base materials, half for some, for everu cuft. and like one cup kelp blood etc, two cups lime and gypsum, and quarter cup fulvic and three quarter cup humic.
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so to make sure I have this correct, per cubic foot, you are adding 6 cups of nutrients one of each, blood meal, bone meal, dry molasses/soy meal, cow manure, and alfalfa cubes.
then you are adding 2 cups of lime, and 2 cups of gypsum, 1/4 fulvic and 3/4 humic.
is that right?
 
st0wandgrow

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cannakis said:
Yeah thats what im doing. i did cook it for more than a month like four weeks. i also added charcoal to soil unsoaked! umm like a gallon for base materials, half for some, for everu cuft. and like one cup kelp blood etc, two cups lime and gypsum, and quarter cup fulvic and three quarter cup humic.
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I know this isn't a popular answer around these parts, but the deficiencies that are expressing themselves are likely due to your PH being out of whack. Adding 2 cups of lime and gypsum per cubic foot is a TON to be adding. Also the charcoal wasn't charged, so that could be at issue here too.

Any way to test the PH of your soil? I'm guessing you have a very alkaline soil which is causing lock out.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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st0wandgrow said:
I know this isn't a popular answer around these parts, but the deficiencies that are expressing themselves are likely due to your PH being out of whack. Adding 2 cups of lime and gypsum per cubic foot is a TON to be adding. Also the charcoal wasn't charged, so that could be at issue here too.

Any way to test the PH of your soil? I'm guessing you have a very alkaline soil which is causing lock out.
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that's what I was getting at, just was waiting to see if I understood him fully.
it's also a TON of nutrients too, at least in my experience.
 
cannakis

cannakis

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st0wandgrow said:
I know this isn't a popular answer around these parts, but the deficiencies that are expressing themselves are likely due to your PH being out of whack. Adding 2 cups of lime and gypsum per cubic foot is a TON to be adding. Also the charcoal wasn't charged, so that could be at issue here too.

Any way to test the PH of your soil? I'm guessing you have a very alkaline soil which is causing lock out.
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yeah i have tested it... its pretty high like 7+...
 
hyroot

hyroot

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I just reread some pages in a horticulture textbook 110.

phos toxicity can cause iron, potassium, copper and zinc deficiencies.
 
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