Hello all... ok so this is what’s going on: I just started growing SOG style, so I grew out my mom plants, 2 strains, 4 a piece. Northern lights and GDP. So I grew them for 2 months before taking clones. They are in 2 5x5 tents 400 watt MH in each tent. I do my cloning taking 70-80 clones every 2 weeks using a perpetual harvest and rotate the strains. So 2 weeks NL and then 2 weeks GDP, back and fourth. I use 2 40 site oxycloners with good results. They take 2 weeks to root then I throw them in a 5x5 with a 500 watt MH( adjustable watt ballast) for another 2 weeks before putting them into the flower room. Flower room is 6 ft wide by 18-20 ft long with 8 ft ceilings. I have 3 1000 watt I power ballasts in there and built 3 4x4 beds lined with plastic to put each round of clones in. I use general Organics grow for veg and bloom for flower. This is a soil grow in 1 gallon square pots using fox farm happy frog. Water is done every 1-2 days and temps in the flower room never get above 75 degrees and never fall below 65 with the lights off. I use 2 oscillating fans and each end of the room and get great air flow through the room. So to recap: I’m using soil, I’m using I power 1,000 watt ballasts, GO nutrients. PH is always between 5.5 and 6.0. I have never had any nutrient def as of yet. I just harvest my 4th run. Here’s the issue: I researched the shit out of SOG before starting this and investing in all the equipment blah blah blah....after 4 runs the highest yield was 10oz and the lowest was 6 oz. that’s off of 55-65 plants. Wtf am I doing wrong here because the 10oz averages out to be roughly 4.5 grams per plant???? So at any given time I have 180 plants in flower, 60 plants in veg, 60-70 clones, and 8 mothers. I’ve seen people getting 12-28 grams per plant using similar styles of growing. Fuck I’d be going to jail for awhile if I got caught and I thought I’d get at least a pound per grow. This isn’t worth the time it takes to dedicate to this kind of grow or the legal issues that come with it. Anyone help me out? Thank you
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Justinsbudzzz
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U could try a longer veg like a week extra ..maybe do 2 gal pots less plants little longer veg and id think u would hit a lot bigger harvests
Yes I’ve thought of that and I’ve seen a lot of different views on that. Some say no veg and right to flower, and I’ve seen people do well with that. And others say longer veg times equals bigger harvest which we all know to be true. But this goes against the whole idea behind a SOG. Traditional SOG, from what I can see is little veg time, with smaller plants, for smaller harvest but cutting veg time means more harvest per year.
Justinsbudzzz
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It really depends on ur preference .who cares about traditional methods if u get good product and a good amount of that product off tweaking a grow style then do it yes more veg better yields if u loose a couple harvests a year but still make up the weight with a longer veg id go that route good luck bro
Thanks boss! How many 2 gallons do you think I should put under that 1,000 watter?
Justinsbudzzz
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As many as u can fit with a little wiggle room for growth .how many 1 gal do u have under right now .or normally
Justinsbudzzz
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Cool man good luck if u don't at least get lets say 25 ounces it won't be worth the 2 gal setup and id go back to 1 gal and a longer veg till u hit a good Mark u want to be at per harvest there is just so many variables to consider lol good luck
Sparky123
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Well I do wish you the best of luck at this here are my observations
1) check the height of your light. See if you can pull them any closer to your canopy tops. The higher the light the less light intensity you have at your canopy
2) I used to sun SOG myself and I couldn’t imagine running in soil. Almost every grow you will see in this style is hydro using Rockwell cubes on a flood table. Or maybe a NFT setup. Hydro is a much higher yield then soil. I’m going to get flak for that statement but oh well
3) strain is the biggest factor in yield running SOG you really are looking for a strain and genetics that tend towards a single large cola. There can also be huge yield variances even from the same batch of seeds it’s all depends on the pheno you choose
4) I didn’t see it in your post but to max or increase yields you’ll need CO2
1) check the height of your light. See if you can pull them any closer to your canopy tops. The higher the light the less light intensity you have at your canopy
2) I used to sun SOG myself and I couldn’t imagine running in soil. Almost every grow you will see in this style is hydro using Rockwell cubes on a flood table. Or maybe a NFT setup. Hydro is a much higher yield then soil. I’m going to get flak for that statement but oh well
3) strain is the biggest factor in yield running SOG you really are looking for a strain and genetics that tend towards a single large cola. There can also be huge yield variances even from the same batch of seeds it’s all depends on the pheno you choose
4) I didn’t see it in your post but to max or increase yields you’ll need CO2
Thank you sir..... I try to get the lights as close as possible but as they are not aircooled I can only get to about 20-24 inches above the canopy before I start to see light spots.
I run soil because I’m in a basement and along way from any water source. Saffice to say waterings fun, but I’ve made a watering wand and can water the whole room in about 1/2 hour.
I specifically chose NL and GDP because they are supposed to be very good for SOG grows.
I do not run CO2
JayBio420
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My thoughts: You are losing a good 40% of your lights into those narrow walls. Use a reflective or white painted surface to reclaim that waste....and/or.... You lights seem too high. You are probably Only putting about 40% of produced light on to your plants. They have not produced enough energy and cannot produce large amounts of flowers without it. Your lights look like they are 40” away from your plants.
Your soil is 1 gallon a plant, which will limit potential yield, but probably isn’t your bottleneck.
How is the air circulation in there? Lots of air movement, bringing the plants fresh CO2 to help make energy with? That’s vital to use your light energy.
Genetics can set the bar for possible potential yield, and a phenotype can further narrow that range of potential yield.
Your soil is 1 gallon a plant, which will limit potential yield, but probably isn’t your bottleneck.
How is the air circulation in there? Lots of air movement, bringing the plants fresh CO2 to help make energy with? That’s vital to use your light energy.
Genetics can set the bar for possible potential yield, and a phenotype can further narrow that range of potential yield.
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Poppa11691
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Do,4 plants per light 10 gallon pots
70's natureboy
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HYdro would be so much easier. You are already using a aerocloner. I would plumb a faucet down cellar to make life easier either way. I do a soiless grow with a couple plants every once in a while for nostalgia and the difference in rate of growth and vigor is amazing. I just got a flood table going after not having one for a few years so I don't have any yields to brag about just yet. I get the best yields with 4 trees per light.
klx
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If you are taking that many clones off that few mothers then those clones must be small. Take bigger clones would be my advice, or you will need to veg them longer. Have way more mums then you can take fewer clones off each mum. Bigger clones = bigger yields.
Hydro will be less work and produce more imo as well.
Hydro will be less work and produce more imo as well.
Beachwalker
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^ I agree with this, I'm a soil grower now but I grew sea of green for 10 years, used hydroton in 6 inch square pots and I would flip them short and got around a 1/2 ounce per plant, good luck
How many plants were you running per light per run?
