Help Help Help!!!! Mag def I think!! Maybe Zinc def too.

Wassup guys and gals,

It's that time again, but not so good. Got rid of three males and transplanted the clones and the other plants into bigger pots. I'm facing a big problem with all of the girlies. They seem to look like they are mag def and maybe even zinc def. I don't know. I'm skeptikal to do the epsom salt thing, but my PH level is about 6.8, a little high. Could that be blocking the mag and zinc? Also could it be the chlorine in my tap water? Do you think I need a filter? Well here's the update pictures there are 5 small clones and one big mother. the back left is potentially a female. The two headed one on the right side is probably a male, but I'm still waiting for it to show it's true colors. Anyways, please help me. I really need this to turn out, because my medical stash is running out. Mag def? Zinc def? and definitely N def. Help!!!!!! Btw I gave them some superthrive when I transplanted them.

Pic 1 - the back plant shows the praying up to the light, signs of mag def?

Pic 2 - the new shoots are really small and lime green, signs of mag def and whatever else?

Pic 3 & 4 - She's kind of fucked up? Help?

Pic 5 - 5 clones and one probably a male and one IDK? All with the similar praying up to the light leaves, the mag def.

Pic 6 - Mother new shoots, lime green and small and skinny, and sides of leaf (the points) curled underneath the leaf. I don't know what the fuck is that from, but probably nute def.

Pic 7 - The greenest, most likely female mag def. plant.

Pic 8 - Clones showing the mag def too.

Pic 9 - Yellowing and discoloring of the bottom leaves of the mother plant. Even the shoots the bottom leaves are really pale.

Pic 10 - New shoots all curled up, how come?

Pic 11 - Top shot of the mother again, all curled up

Pic 12 - Pic of the clone, showing the discoloring of the dark green, looks like the mag def and/or zinc def?

please help and comment. Thanks

I'm skeptikal to do the epsom salt thing, but my PH level is about 6.8, a little high. Could that be blocking the mag and zinc?

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What is the pH of your run off from the pots?

Also could it be the chlorine in my tap water?

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Are you letting your tap water sit for a few hours before using it?

What type of soil is that?

What are your watering schedules?

What nutrients and additives are you using?

Reason I ask is it doesn't look like mag or zinc deficiency, looks to me like a lack of nitrogen. Since its across the board, it looks like either not enough nutrient, not enough watering or wrong nutrients or a combination.

Take a look at this post:

https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/132382-deficency-nute-burn-diagnostic.html

Might help you with the diagnostic.

Cheers

Jonus said:

What is the pH of your run off from the pots?



Are you letting your tap water sit for a few hours before using it?

What type of soil is that?

What are your watering schedules?

What nutrients and additives are you using?

Reason I ask is it doesn't look like mag or zinc deficiency, looks to me like a lack of nitrogen. Since its across the board, it looks like either not enough nutrient, not enough watering or wrong nutrients or a combination.

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How long has this problem been going on? Couple weeks but it wasn't really bad I thought?
What STRAIN are you growing? Purple Kush
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) Seeds and Clones
What is the age of your plants? Veg 57 days
How Tall are the plants? 18 inches, and 8 inches to 3 inches
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? Veg.
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) trying SOG with my legal limit
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot) 5 gal, and 2 gal and smaller
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) Black Gold Organic Potting soil and a local organic potting soil ( never again)
What Nutrient's are you using? Grow Big and used Superthrive once for the transplant
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? half of recommeneded dosage
How often are you feeding? Just tried foilage feeding the mother and a clone tonight. I feed every other watering, usually if it's like every 4 to 5 days.
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients? Still vegging, should I be giving tiger bloom instead of grow big?
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect) N/A
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? don't have a PPM pen
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? 6.8 in the soil
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? Combo Meter (Moisture and Ph)
How often are you watering? But earlier it was every two days(root bound)

When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? I didn't feed them really much when I noticed the problem starting to get worse ( which is a couple of weeks ago) so superthrive was their only supplemental type of feeding.
What size bulb are you using? 400 watt
What is the distance to the canopy? ~15 inches
What is your RH Factor? I don't know it's in Hawaii
What is the canopy temperature? Not sure but it's pretty cool now days
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) 400cfm, I think
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ? 2 fans circulating air inside with holes in back wall for ventalation; 1 exhaust blower on light hood;
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? nope
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? moist now. I let it dry out a little
Is your water HARD or SOFT? Well water with a ppm of 89
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? tap
Are you using water from a water softener? No
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? None
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?


Here's some updated pics from today

They getting worse by the day. I don't know if it's a nute def or it's a salt build-up. Some one please help????

check out this site it will help..make sure you have no small spider webs anywhere near your plant and no other creeping critters...i doubt if you are over feeding them...its not uncommon for clone leafs to turn a lighter green ..they are using up the nitrogen in the leaf's to make root's...mix you a little garden lime into the top layer of the soil..this will help ballance out the ph in the soil and give your plant other minerals it needs....next time you grow..mead a few cups of garden lime into your soil next time you plant or transplant..good luck...

Is there nutrient in that soil already? If not you will need to give them a feed. A pH of 6.8 is fine, 6.5 would be perfect.

Stop using the superthrive its causing too much root growth stimulation.

I also notice you didn't state the room temperature with lights on and off or humidity. Those two are just as important as getting the right pH in your soil.

You have the advantage of having many plants, so try different things on a few of them and note down what you did.

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check out this site it will help..make sure you have no small spider webs anywhere near your plant and no other creeping critters...i doubt if you are over feeding them...its not uncommon for clone leafs to turn a lighter green ..they are using up the nitrogen in the leaf's to make root's...mix you a little garden lime into the top layer of the soil..this will help ballance out the ph in the soil and give your plant other minerals it needs....next time you grow..mead a few cups of garden lime into your soil next time you plant or transplant..good luck...

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Thanks for the website but I"m already a member over there. anyway what does lime do? lower the ph? that would be good. Do you think it would be a good idea to transplant them now even if i just planted them last week? I just bought some fox farm ocean forrest potting soil. I bought some flora kleen and try it one clone tonight and see what happens. It might be the salts build up, i really don't know right now. but got to something or they all die.

lime raises ph... u need to know ph.. that looks like ph is off.. u need to check it as it comes out... go out and get both the liquid tester at the fish store... and go to a hydro shop, maybe the fish store has it and get urself a 50-100dollar ph pen... an oakton or something the ppl usually guide u in the right direction, even if its more money. notice only mention ph because u need to get the exact ph of the run off and the water going, especially after its nuted, if its root bound, ur burning ur plant. with all those nutes.. just stick to water on some weak nutes. dont go all out, often the best thing to do is do nothing at all.. if u can, also transplanting into some fresh soil can fix a lot of problems, careful with the roots.

looks like typical Nitrogen deficient

you need to list what the run off PH is and what kind of soil, and how long that has been in that soil, your soil may have used up any nutes it already contained, or you PH is out of whack....those plants look rather young and in my own experience it took a while to get lockout, unless your is real high PH...what method do you use for PHing?

one of those pics looks like a mag deg, add any grow nute at 1/4 strenght and or you can get botanicares cal-mag or earth juice's micro blast along with your grow nutes....but before you do that you should flush with PH'ed water , one piece of advice is, i had a deficiencie and i was told to flush with nuted water and my def went away super fast

im sorry for all the added posts, but the more i look at your pix, the more i believe your having PH issues, simply because you dont have one deficency, you have a little N and a little Mag, when all your plants are showing a few different def's its gotta be Lockout...N defs usually start out with "intervienale chlorosis" those light spots between the viens, the Mag def show light green at the edge of the blades starting on the outer tips working its way to the back of the leaf....if those were my plants i would give a light foliar feed no more than 1/4 strength so they can absorb nutes right away then flush with PH'ed water

morrisgreenberg said:

im sorry for all the added posts, but the more i look at your pix, the more i believe your having PH issues, simply because you dont have one deficency, you have a little N and a little Mag, when all your plants are showing a few different def's its gotta be Lockout...N defs usually start out with "intervienale chlorosis" those light spots between the viens, the Mag def show light green at the edge of the blades starting on the outer tips working its way to the back of the leaf....if those were my plants i would give a light foliar feed no more than 1/4 strength so they can absorb nutes right away then flush with PH'ed water

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nah no worries for posting so mch. I don't mind. I like your advice it seems to be the one that makes the most sense. Cause like I have a hunch it's a lock out, can my florakleen repair the ph lockout? Or do I have to give them lower ph water? What kind of nutes, is the grow big good for the foliar feeding? thanks for the advice up to now.

anybody else?

this is what i would do and is the standard to deal with these issues, you know how to flush right? it goes 3 times water the amount of soil, for example a 3 gallon pot requires 9 gallons of flush water, prepare your water, adjust the PH by adding PH down and flush, for the meantime, to get your baby some nutes Foliar with the grow big, make sure you give it a light misting, dont let the water build up on the leaves till it drips or u will get burn spots on leaves, also when spraying make sure you get the underside of the leaves, thats where it will take up the nutes the most....try that, if you dont have any results in a week and it keep spreading, Flush with a 1/4 strength mix water, that worked great for me the nuted water....also with the foliar make sure it 1/4 strength aswell....i had to battle this problem and from nute burn and lockouts, that i found the soil at the bottom taking forever to dry and getting water logged, i am currently using a peroxide mix to get oxygen to the roots, good luck dude and keep us posted

morrisgreenberg said:

this is what i would do and is the standard to deal with these issues, you know how to flush right? it goes 3 times water the amount of soil, for example a 3 gallon pot requires 9 gallons of flush water, prepare your water, adjust the PH by adding PH down and flush, for the meantime, to get your baby some nutes Foliar with the grow big, make sure you give it a light misting, dont let the water build up on the leaves till it drips or u will get burn spots on leaves, also when spraying make sure you get the underside of the leaves, thats where it will take up the nutes the most....try that, if you dont have any results in a week and it keep spreading, Flush with a 1/4 strength mix water, that worked great for me the nuted water....also with the foliar make sure it 1/4 strength aswell....i had to battle this problem and from nute burn and lockouts, that i found the soil at the bottom taking forever to dry and getting water logged, i am currently using a peroxide mix to get oxygen to the roots, good luck dude and keep us posted

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I know about the peroxide mix, but I'm using FFOF soil and I heard that's not good for organic soils. I heard that it kills the organisms. I tried foliar feeding but that doesn't really help at all. The new shoots are still messed up. So later today I'm going to be grabbing some earthjuice micronutrients, and feed that and some half strength FF Grow big. But I will flush the mother first before I feed her these nutes.

For the flushing, yes I know how to flush, because I had to do it so many times during my first grow. (so many mistakes). But yeah, I went out and bought flora kleen, so I don't need to flush the girlies with that much water. I like the idea that you don't need to flush them out with so much water. It works. All of my other girlies are slowly recovering now.