HELP!>I spray'd 2 much Alcohol on leaves with mites, plant is dying! Newb, rapid responses, please .

Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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"the stretch" is a response nearly all strains of cannabis show to one degree or another. when you put them into a 12/12 light environment, they think fall is coming on and they put on a growth spurt to reach what light is available. some plants will stretch more than others, traditionally sativas will stretch more than indicas, but there are some strains of each that go against tradition. there are things you can use to stop stretching, if your plant is getting out of hand. theres a class of plant growth regulators called auxins, and one in particular called cytokinin thats derived from kelp. it pretty much stops vertical growth and promotes short internodal length and bushiness. theres a lot of products out there that have it if you do a search for it. don't use it till your plant is the height you want it to be or you'll get a stubby shrub.
theres another one called 6-benzylaminopurine that does the same thing, but its a lot stronger, and promotes a lot more branching. not sure what if any products have it, i buy it pure and make my own solution when i want it.
to reveg, your cfls are fine, put them on a 16 hour timer and leave them there till you see a response.water once then not again till the pot feels very light. may take 2 weeks or more to feel good and dry, the plant won't be drinking a lot till it decides to stop making flowering hormones and start making growth hormones again. give it 1/4 strength grow nutes every other time you water it till it wakes back up. its not growing much right now, its altering internal systems, doesn't take a huge amount of energy but it does take time.
 
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front360

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Rog, is that 16 on & 8 off? Should I take all the flowers(big and small) off the bottom branches when I reveg?
Or with clones, what part of the branch gets cut, and do I leave any flowers on the branch? Thanks again.
 
BanginYoMama

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My friend has mites too. Nobody likes mites. I found a way to get rid of some of them though. In my friend's grow room we set up tape around the walls and the soil facing outward(not facing the soil). Couple days later the tape had a lot of mites trapped lol. Next grow you should try it even if you don't know if you have mites or not. You will sure find out this way. The tape kinda was like a spider web.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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i would not try to clone that plant. leave a few of the smaller popcorn buds, especially any that have a fair amount of sugar leaves sticking out of them, you don't need to leave much, but you do have to leave something.
yes, 16 hours on, 8 off. you aren't trying to grow anything, till the plant shows you a few new leaves. may be as much as two months before it starts to do anything. just set it out of the way and ignore it for a while, just water it when it gets good and dry
 
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front360

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Okay no cloning, sounds good Roger, I'll just leave a few green(because some lost their chlorophyll already, and are dry) popcorn buds on there. Should I remove the bigger pcorn buds from the stem, as close to the bud as I can? Separate question, do I remove the cola, and other top ones, by the main stem or the bud stem? If I am wording this stuff wrong, jus let me know, lol.
Another separate question, what is a mother plant?
 
whitebb2727

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
"the stretch" is a response nearly all strains of cannabis show to one degree or another. when you put them into a 12/12 light environment, they think fall is coming on and they put on a growth spurt to reach what light is available. some plants will stretch more than others, traditionally sativas will stretch more than indicas, but there are some strains of each that go against tradition. there are things you can use to stop stretching, if your plant is getting out of hand. theres a class of plant growth regulators called auxins, and one in particular called cytokinin thats derived from kelp. it pretty much stops vertical growth and promotes short internodal length and bushiness. theres a lot of products out there that have it if you do a search for it. don't use it till your plant is the height you want it to be or you'll get a stubby shrub.
theres another one called 6-benzylaminopurine that does the same thing, but its a lot stronger, and promotes a lot more branching. not sure what if any products have it, i buy it pure and make my own solution when i want it.
to reveg, your cfls are fine, put them on a 16 hour timer and leave them there till you see a response.water once then not again till the pot feels very light. may take 2 weeks or more to feel good and dry, the plant won't be drinking a lot till it decides to stop making flowering hormones and start making growth hormones again. give it 1/4 strength grow nutes every other time you water it till it wakes back up. its not growing much right now, its altering internal systems, doesn't take a huge amount of energy but it does take time.
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I get better response and faster reveg at 20/4.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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i'll take your word on that, i don't do it regularly, only a couple of times to save genetics i didn't want to lose, if you do it often, 20/4 it is then.
 
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front360

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Rog, what are the bigger buds, at the ends of those bottom branches called? Yesterday, one of these(smaller and dried up flowers) at the end of a 5"-6" branch, just broke off after I bumped it or something. Since I'm planning on revegging, do I leave that now empty branch attached at the main stem(for regrowth), or will it dry up and fall off if I don't start revegging any time soon, or do I just cut the branch off as close to the stem?
Why are some low branches drying up a little, and why are the smallest of the popcorn's already dried up? I tested these and they seemed good to me, lol. Oh yeah, there are a few more white hairs regrowing on top of the top cola. Is this good news, postpone harvest a couple more weeks? Why would tiny pcorns be drying up(maybe dying), yet there is new growth in the form of white pistils?
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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they're called "buds"
i wouldn't worry about that.
plants naturally die after they flower, if they were in nature, it would be winter.
you can keep one alive by making it think its spring instead of winter
you can try giving it longer, but it has no sun leaves to feed any new growth, so i wouldn't bother
 
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front360

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I'm almost done with the 14 day soil flush, with just filtered water. Do I still need to trim the buds, to collect the resin glands to try to make kief or hash? I only have this one plant and it's triches are fewer from the iso spray. If I won't have enough resin, I might end up keeping the sugar leaves on the buds, for a little extra buzz(or not worth it & tastes bad?). I'm gonna harvest the main stem, from the top down, until I get to one of the top branches that are at the base of the plant. I'm going to leave all the bottom branches in hopes of re-vegging. Remember, I'm trying to re-veg only using some popcorn buds with sugar leaves, since the alcohol spray made almost all fan leaves dry out and fall off.

Should I leave one big bud that's attached to the main stem, just above the bottom branches, or no? I also heard that when the larger buds at the ends of the branches are harvested, the popcorn buds on those branches will get larger, faster, because all nutrients first go to the top buds on those branches. So for me, re-vegging, would I leave the larger, top buds on those branches because they have more sugar leaves, since they are bigger? Or remove those top buds, to send a signal for all the popcorn ones underneath those, to utilize the excess nutrients to grow bigger?(or won't they get bigger until the plant flowers again?) I just don't know how many popcorn buds and what size popcorn buds, would be sufficient enough to re-veg. Thanks in advance, and please try to answer my many annoying questions, it's the only way that I'll learn.:lol:
 
hippee

hippee

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Save all that stuff for next time,no more nutes,leave the lites alone and for the love of god let it run it's course these next couple of weeks without doing anything to it and you will be pleasantly surprised and the next grow will be better now that you know not to spray the home made pesticide on them,sometimes less is more and I seriously believe that to be in the plants best interest under the circumstances,good luck it only gets better from here
 
Bear420

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Looks rootbound to me, with a salt build up. get rid of that old soil start with fresh but make sure you flush before hand. as long as you have them mites under control get er in some new clean soil. and get some mighty wash.
good luck hope you get er figured out before they get to bad.
 
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front360

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Thanks hippee, I too hope next time goes better.
Bear420, what makes you think it's rootbound and has a build up of salts? Are you talking about new soil if I re-veg?

I really need someone to try to answer my many questions in post #70, please.
 
hippee

hippee

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I don't really know the answers to those ?'s just experiment with it and maybe you'll learn something new that must be 1special plant cause me personally I would of shitcanned it and had another grow on its way that's the beauty of our hobby
 
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front360

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Do I need to trim the dried, crunchy sugar leaves? I mean would one alcohol soaked plant even have enough resin on those leaves, to make kief or hash or anything? Would I really notice a harsh smoke? The plant is weeks overdue for harvest(buds already drying), but I kept waiting to see if more triches and pistils would be produced. Only the top cola grew new white hairs, this was after the alcohol instantly turned all prior pistils on the whole plant, brown.
So you can say she has a special place in my heart. She was soo full of fans, and three feet wide at the base, but now she's looking badly emaciated. Oh well, harvest is in a couple days. I might chop the top first, then see if lower buds fill out anymore over a few days, but it might be pointless.
 
Bear420

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front360 said:
Thanks hippee, I too hope next time goes better.
Bear420, what makes you think it's rootbound and has a build up of salts? Are you talking about new soil if I re-veg?

I really need someone to try to answer my many questions in post #70, please.
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Your leaves are curling downward and that pot looks small, I've seen the same thing, I didn't know what was wrong too. until rm stated that was my Problem, I took her out and the sides of the my Pot was loaded with salt build up. So I thought I would pass on that info to you and hopefully that was the problem. which can be fixed.

Good Luck
 
Bear420

Bear420

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If you want to reveg your plant you don't need to leave any of the big buds on her, just leave the smallest bud on the bottom they are the newest growth, Leave those take all the big buds off and you can even cut the top right off it before you go to reveg it. It can take several months to do so, I've done it on a number of occasions, but I found that I can grow a seed much faster then revegging. Just leave enough of the smaller flowers on the bottom with some good leaf growth and she will come back, I also found if you leave your lights on for 24 and 7 it will revert abit faster.
 
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front360

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Those pics are old, there are only like 2 fan leaves left on at the top, nothing elsewhere. It's in a 5 gal. smart pot, but before I put it in that pot, it could have gotten root-bound in the small pot that I used second. How many small buds would be sufficient to leave on, because I've been using those to test the product, not sure what's left, lol? I had planned on a 20/4 light schedule, what did you mean by 24 and 7?
Oh yeah, why does the plant/buds smell like a plant, hay, or grass and not like mj? Thanks in advance.
 
Bear420

Bear420

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20 and 4 is also a bit faster I just left mine on 24 hours a day, It was winter here so I did that. was faster than 16 and 8 I did before by about 1 month. as many good leave as possible would work, The smell chlorophyll the green in her, she should start to smell pungent when you start your cure. Some just do that.
Your Welcome.
 
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