Help leaves twisting and looking weird !! PICS

Hi everyone thanks for looking. My leaves are twisting and looking weird does anyone know what this is its my 2nd grow. The plants are 45 days from poping out of ground from seed. Im useing a 600w hps light in a 4x4x7h area. Ive got a fan on exhaust and for fresh air in. Also Two osilating fans in room. I use an a/c and co2 enrichment all ran with an enviromental controller. My rh is between 40% and 65%.Im using foxfarm ocean forest for dirt in 5 gal buckets. Im also useing foxfarm bigbloom, tigerbloom, growbig and root organics. Im watering with a 6.7 ph. These 2 plants are the only ones doing this the other 5 are fine. These 2 plants are burmese kush. Oh im watering every 3 to 4 days.Also do you think i can switch to flower in 2 days?

Yeh my silver haze looks like that too... but as it grows it just looks better... idk what it is, some one suggested its growing faster than it can keep up, so it start becoming unsymmertrical in the leaves

Have you checked the soil's Ph?

What are the temps like?

Mother's Finest said:

Have you checked the soil's Ph?

What are the temps like?

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i havent checked soil ph. The temps are 76 degrees f when lights on at top of canopy and 63 degrees f when lights off

it looks a little droopy, the soil to dry? not enough nutes? Thin SOME big fan leaves out, its ok to do at this stage, some say NEVER trim fan leaves but it tends to improve the light penetration, especially since its indoors.

My money is on the buckets. You know, 5 gallon Smart Pots are only $5, far superior to your lowes paint buckets...

I'm thinking the drainage isn't quite enough, not enough freshness to a now sizable root zone, and you have some root rot.

Either that or it's a humidity thing.

^I was thinking it was a drainage issue, myself, because i've never seen a problem like that, not a deficiency, humidity, heat stress, etc.... so I was thinking root rot. Not sure, but I will suggest that you get a drill out and put a bunch of drainage holes in those buckets, going a couple inches up the sides(2" or so), as well as adding more in the bottom. Make sure they're at least 1/2' in diameter.

As for the possible root rot, I've never had to deal with it, so can't suggest anything. I know guys use H2O2 for it, but not sure of the doseage, or best method. Hopefully, somebody can fill you in on that.

I agree with the bucket theory but also I dont think your growth is a problem. It looks like a delicious mutation since judging by color and growth, It doesnt seem to be giving any signs of over nitrogen or under ventilation. I would suggest a 10 Gal Gro Pot by C.A.P. instead of the smart pots because they are much more durable with handles and they dont bend like smart pots either. The difference between a bucket and a gro pot is a gro pot blocks out all the light while giving your roots oxygen. Your plant's roots convert oxygen to co2 through osmosis.

Gnarled new leaves are usually because of a Ph problem or heat. Since your temp is ok, check the soil Ph, either with a quality soil tester or by letting water sit in the dirt a day, squeezing it out and testing it. When the entire plant droops, you have something locking out broad spectrum nutrients. Ph, over&underwatering, temp and root problems are problems that can block most or all nutes.

Start foliar feeding, it'll fix deficiencies that you can't see, as well as those you can. It's an excellent addition to any feeding routine. I'm suggesting this, expecially because of the drooping. If mine aren't quite a perky as usual(even though the soil's plenty moist), I give them a foliar feed with some mild veg fert, and they perk right up within 2 hours, and it's VERY noticeable. I attribute that to the N boost, as well as the added hydration. Give your's a good foliar feeding, and I'm betting you see an immediate improvement, in both of them.

I also agree that PH causes twisty leaves, but man, I've never seen them get that bad. That's the only reason I'm doubting it's PH. Go foliar til you figure it out, and I think you'll be impressed.

i also say its a ph issue...and the temps might be fine...but if the lamps are too close it can still wilt and curl the leaves like its a heat issue...how far away are your lights to the plants?

Jaw- I completely agree. If this is indeed a Ph issue then it's very unique. Normally the plant will yellow and show much more necrosis before Ph gnarles the leaves that bad. If I had to write a theory, I'd guess that maybe the properly Ph'd water is absorbed well by the plant when first applied. Then after sitting in the soil long enough, the Ph is changed by the substrate components to a level less useable by the plant. This gives the plant enough energy to stay green but causing constant growth abnormalities. It's just a guess, though.

Motor, if you discover that the cause is something else, be sure to let everyone know so we can watch out for it ourselves.

Mother's Finest said:

Jaw- I completely agree. If this is indeed a Ph issue then it's very unique. Normally the plant will yellow and show much more necrosis before Ph gnarles the leaves that bad. If I had to write a theory, I'd guess that maybe the properly Ph'd water is absorbed well by the plant when first applied. Then after sitting in the soil long enough, the Ph is changed by the substrate components to a level less useable by the plant. This gives the plant enough energy to stay green but causing constant growth abnormalities. It's just a guess, though.

Motor, if you discover that the cause is something else, be sure to let everyone know so we can watch out for it ourselves.

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That's a pretty good theory, and pretty much what I was supecting. It would also explain the almost perfect uniformity of the damage, and the tendency of it to remain centralized, due to the probability that the soil is most acidic in the center mass. There's a possibility that the problem weakened the plant, making it susceptible to heat stress, in addition to the twisting. IDK where the lights are positioned, so can't say for sure. Just another possibility. Indeed, this is unique. Also, cases of root rot are so rare here, that I don't remember seeing one case, since I've been here, and have nothing for comparison.

^I'm with ya, that I want to get to the bottom of this, as well, whether I'm wrong or right. Me likey learning new things.lol

Thank You everyone for your help so far! My lights are 26 inches from the plants canopy and i have a cool light with an exhaust fan so not much heat. I dont think its heat. Today Im going to flush each plant with 1 gal of water with clearex and then feed with 3/4 of a gal each with flower nutes and switch to 12/12. I hope im making the right decision. If it gets better ill let everyone know. Ill also test the soil runoff when i start the flush to see what it is. Ill let you all know shortly.

Your Buckets?
When I had leaves turning/twisting. Yes I freaked out.
I grabbed the scissors (Uh-Oh) and started stabbing the lower sides of my buckets. I assumed it was poor drainage.
I stabbed and stabbed and stabbed about 20-30 slits in the sides of the buckets.
Stuck my finger in the drainage holes at the bottom of the buckets and checked for moisture, they were soaked.

I proceeded to cut the twisted leaves perpendicular (at angle). within days the medium dried out, and production began again.

I've seen a lot of problems the past few weeks, and I hope my situation might be of some help.

Well I flushed with clearex and tested the run off when i started the flush. The ph of the clearex and water was at 6.5ph and the run off was 5.25ph on these two plants. I tested my plants that look good and they were 5.75ph run off. I also drilled more holes in the buckets.Then I watered with first week flower nutes with a 7.15 ph and switched to flower. They are all looking very happy now. They are still twisted but the plants are not wilting at all now. So I think it was the ph to low or salt bound soil. Thank you all for your help!