help mixing organics and soil

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southernguy99

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Could you guys give me your opinion on what organics I should use and how much.

using 15gal of sunshine #4
the organics I have is

Crab Shell 2-3-0
Alfalfa Meal 3-0-3
Bat Guano 0-13-1
Rock Phosphate
Glacial Rock Dust
Kelp Meal 1-0-2
Mycorhizes
Feather Meal 13-0-0
Blood Meal 12-0-0
Bone Meal 2-14-0
worm casting
Fish Bone Meal 6-12-0
Aloe Vera Juice

Which of these organics should I pre load in my soil and how much of each should i use per 15gal of sunshine, I'm also going to use some teas as well most of the ones listed in the organic feeding 101 thread on here. Any input from you guys would be great thanks.
 
southernguy99 said:
Could you guys give me your opinion on what organics I should use and how much.

using 15gal of sunshine #4
the organics I have is

Crab Shell 2-3-0
Alfalfa Meal 3-0-3
Bat Guano 0-13-1
Rock Phosphate
Glacial Rock Dust
Kelp Meal 1-0-2
Mycorhizes
Feather Meal 13-0-0
Blood Meal 12-0-0
Bone Meal 2-14-0
worm casting
Fish Bone Meal 6-12-0
Aloe Vera Juice

Which of these organics should I pre load in my soil and how much of each should i use per 15gal of sunshine, I'm also going to use some teas as well most of the ones listed in the organic feeding 101 thread on here. Any input from you guys would be great thanks.
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Most amendments are applied at 1/4 - 1/2 cup per cubic feet. 15 gallons is just a touch more than 2 cubic feet. I'd say you're good to do an even 1 Cup of these amendments you have on hand...

Crab Shell
Alfalfa Meal
Rock dust
Fish bone meal
Kelp meal

Mix those in your soil.

The kelp is great for teas and foliar feeding so it's good to have more on hand for that.

I would skip the blood and feather meal personally...but if you think your plants will need more nitrogen I would pick one or the other, but don't use both. That would be too much.

The worm castings should make up about 15% of your potting mix. Say you got a ten gallon pot...You'd mix 1.5 gallons of worm castings together with 8.5 gallons of your sunshine mix.

Use the rest of the castings to do top dressings with every few weeks or worm teas every once and a while.

Use the mycorrhizae only when you transplant. Put the mycorrhizae in the planting hole and make sure it makes direct contact with the roots.

Use the bat guano if you see a phosphorus deficiency... Otherwise use it once you hit flower. Top dressing or mixed into water, stirred vigorously before applying to each plant. Your choice, both work well.

I'm not an expert on aloe juice but from what I understand it's like compost tea. Can be applied as much as you want (but you probably only need to do it once every week or two). But again, I have no aloe experience. Hopefully someone else can chime in for you there.
 
Thank you very much Rasta Roy Thats a big help, The Aloe Vera juice is for in SST tea I found

1oz. malt barley, Weigh out 1 oz. of malted barley grain for each gallon of enzyme tea you wish to make
2tsp. kelp/kelp meal
bubble for 24-48hrs.
then add1/4 cup aloe or equal amount of 200X powder & 1-2oz. Ful/Power
per gallon. 24-48 hrs.
Strain and use as a soil drench.
I`ll try it see if it does anything
 
southernguy99 said:
Could you guys give me your opinion on what organics I should use and how much.

using 15gal of sunshine #4
the organics I have is

Crab Shell 2-3-0
Alfalfa Meal 3-0-3
Bat Guano 0-13-1
Rock Phosphate
Glacial Rock Dust
Kelp Meal 1-0-2
Mycorhizes
Feather Meal 13-0-0
Blood Meal 12-0-0
Bone Meal 2-14-0
worm casting
Fish Bone Meal 6-12-0
Aloe Vera Juice

Which of these organics should I pre load in my soil and how much of each should i use per 15gal of sunshine, I'm also going to use some teas as well most of the ones listed in the organic feeding 101 thread on here. Any input from you guys would be great thanks.
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ditch the alfalfa meal it can get hot in a new mix unless you are going to let it work before you plant and top dress it instead also ditch the blood meal, bone meal and feather meal and rock phosphate it is slow release go with guano for P. you can add in humic/fulvic acid, Epson salts, humus and a good compost. you can get a high N bat guano just follow the directions on the package. when you mix your soil it is better to go lite on the fertilizers so you can feed the plants what they need at the different stages of growth. At first they need something around 2-9-3 for root growth then after they have developed a good root system and get some size go to something around 6-7-2 then when they start to flower go back to 2-9-3. The high numbers don't mean better what counts is that the plants can use what you feed them at the right time. The fun thing about guano is you can make your own formulas just do the math say you want a grow mix just use a high N like 8-0-0 and use less of the others to get the 6-7-2.
 
southernguy99 said:
Thank you very much Rasta Roy Thats a big help, The Aloe Vera juice is for in SST tea I found

1oz. malt barley, Weigh out 1 oz. of malted barley grain for each gallon of enzyme tea you wish to make
2tsp. kelp/kelp meal
bubble for 24-48hrs.
then add1/4 cup aloe or equal amount of 200X powder & 1-2oz. Ful/Power
per gallon. 24-48 hrs.
Strain and use as a soil drench.
I`ll try it see if it does anything
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No problem! Don't listen to backtracker up there...he thinks Greensand and bone meal break down in tea, he doesn't want to hear about the reality of soil pathogens, and he has no sense of humor.
 
southernguy99 said:
Thank you very much Rasta Roy Thats a big help, The Aloe Vera juice is for in SST tea I found

1oz. malt barley, Weigh out 1 oz. of malted barley grain for each gallon of enzyme tea you wish to make
2tsp. kelp/kelp meal
bubble for 24-48hrs.
then add1/4 cup aloe or equal amount of 200X powder & 1-2oz. Ful/Power
per gallon. 24-48 hrs.
Strain and use as a soil drench.
I`ll try it see if it does anything
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It'll help the organic matter in your soil break down, which you would definitely benefit from.
 
thanks again RR.,I've been reading about the concerns with blood and bone meal containing pathogens, thats a little concerning, I did read up about on the bone meal I have and it is supposed to be steamed from factory, I also see some people boil there's before using, either way would you recommend just to stay away from both bone and blood meals.
 
southernguy99 said:
thanks again RR.,I've been reading about the concerns with blood and bone meal containing pathogens, thats a little concerning, I did read up about on the bone meal I have and it is supposed to be steamed from factory, I also see some people boil there's before using, either way would you recommend just to stay away from both bone and blood meals.
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I would stay away from blood and bone meals not just because of the pathogen risk, but because there are other amendments that do what they do and more.

Bone meal provides phosphorus and calcium...but fish bone meal provides those and a host of growth hormones for your plant.

Blood meal provides nitrogen and iron, but also adds salt (which your microbes don't like). Where alfalfa, shrimp Shell and crab shell meal provide you with nitrogen, phosphorus, calcium, magnesium, growth hormones, pest control, and ph buffering.

Neem cake or neem seed meal is great too! It helps keep nitrogen in your soil for longer, the smell keeps away fungus gnats and it covers the majority of your micronutrients.
 
eh. bone meals fine, so is blood meal...

you can use steamed 0-10-0 in a flowering soil and unsteamed 10-10-0 meals in vegging.

blood meal is perfectly fine to add to tea, mix in soil, whatever. follow the soil maturing phase before planting in it. but pshhh people go nuts selling others their ideas of something the works just the same.

id sell you your own trash btw.


compost is your #1 friend and you can compost your fertilizers to balance it out. you can also make npk+micros specific to composting materials. lots of fruits and vegetables will bump your NK up and you can compost coarse bone meal or top dress powdered bone meal.

use beneficial microorganisms correctly and frequently to prevent illness and speed up composting.

leaf mold is great too and usually free aside from labor.

i use fruits/veg compost with leaves and garden waste as a third of my soil with splendid success.
 
Hey thanks for the info it's a big help, what about microorganisms and bacteria is there going to be enough of that in the soil and how do I add more? do i need to add things like Lactobacillus and EM1? I've added some humic acid . will the Bat Guano , kelp and worm castings add enough bacteria and micros to the soil via pre mixed in and in teas.
 
southernguy99 said:
Hey thanks for the info it's a big help, what about microorganisms and bacteria is there going to be enough of that in the soil and how do I add more? do i need to add things like Lactobacillus and EM1? I've added some humic acid . will the Bat Guano , kelp and worm castings add enough bacteria and micros to the soil via pre mixed in and in teas.
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if you start using EM1, follow the recipe to make activated EM on teraganix website or google it. it is the practice of culturing the EM1 bottle into a couple dozen more bottles. its safe to drink too. good for your stomach. i wouldnt drink the homemade stuff people on this website use in their gardens... anyway. i would also recommend learning how to make Bokashi (fermented grain, or sawdust, or coffee grinds, or manuer.. recipes are also on teraganix website. ) and practice mixing it into compost, soil, worm beds, etc.

you'll want to frequently add beneficial microbes into your soil. itll help you not get sick when you play with dirt and it will keep your plants healthier and resistant to PM and bugs. when using foliar sprays of beneficial microbes, do so when the lights are OFF or the sun is DOWN. so they dont die and your plant's leaves dont get crisped up. youll be pissed if you crisp up your leaves but foliar sprays are a great way to keep them healthy and sneak in some nutrients every week. just use the nutrients light in concentration..

humic acid is great stuff, but isnt a living microorganism, more of a feed. the bat guano is going to have the pathogens that would get you sick so you'll deffinately want to use a known probiotic culture to starve them out. always use equal parts agricultural grade molasses to your microbes. like if you use a tsp of activated EM in a liter of water, then you'll need to add a tsp of molasses so they have a starter diet, theyll transition into eating larger organic material after some time. but the molasses allows them to overpower the pathogens and the pathogens end up being starved out of the area. they dont straight die, they just leave.
 
southernguy99 said:
Hey thanks for the info it's a big help, what about microorganisms and bacteria is there going to be enough of that in the soil and how do I add more? do i need to add things like Lactobacillus and EM1? I've added some humic acid . will the Bat Guano , kelp and worm castings add enough bacteria and micros to the soil via pre mixed in and in teas.
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Not that you have to go crazy...but the more diverse things you can put into your soil, the more things you can introduce that help things break down...the better. You'll go back and fourth experimenting I'm sure! I've had rounds where I try to do everything under the sun, and rounds where i just sit back and watch the grass grow! You'll find the sweet spot that works for you after a handful of trys. I'm a few years into doing this professionally and I still am constantly dicking around. There's always new stuff to learn and try. Just remember at the end of the day you don't need to reinvent the wheel! The library and books about container and raised bed gardening are great resources! Cannabis grows similar to tomatoes except for cannabis will use higher levels of nitrogen in flower than tomatoes (contrary to hydro grower logic), and tomatoes need more calcium. So read up on those the most.
 
Have you guys make anything like this, looks easy and should add enough beneficial microbes. 3 part video but short.
I'd have to start from scratch as I don't think I can get em1 to start with.
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southernguy99 said:
Have you guys make anything like this, looks easy and should add enough beneficial microbes. 3 part video but short.
I'd have to start from scratch as I don't think I can get em1 to start with.
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I make that stuff and use to make fish hydrolysate. I haven't introduced to my plants but lots of people have and it seems to get positive results from what I've read. I just didn't have enough extra for my plants to try it yet!
 
Got a bag of earth worm casting but they Have worms in them, small but alive , must have not screened them out does it matter if there in my soil ? in the pots
 
so I've been using a kelp meal product but I found a granulated seaweed product that is way cheaper is there much difference in the 2 ? would the granulated seaweed work as good ?
 
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