lol i realize that it is beyond preflowering and this is also the point of the thread. I also realize that looking at the big picture of growth...who tha f cares! Do you really want to know why ur plants are MALE AND FLOWERING in 18-6 or do you want to know how to not make EITHER of those things happen...thats what i was going for. Honestly I didnt even read 1/2 this thread, but if the point is to figure out why 2 males plants are flowering in 18-6 then I think this is a waste of time LATERS. Hey FDD keep on that research i really want to know when you get to the bottom of why these plants full of seeds are flowering early, beacuse it woudl really add to my knowledge base of "STUFF U NEVER NEED TO KKNOW". But then again thats why we all went to high school right? FDD did you not make it thru High school?