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TwoTokeSmoke

TwoTokeSmoke

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Yes, they may be wasting good space..... I am perfectly fine with riding this out and letting them continue there path just to learn from. Its Kinda like a challenge to see if I can pull them back to a healthy stage and chalk it up as a learning experience even if the fruits of my labor are not there in the end I can still pat myself on the back and say I pulled them out of there dire death bed.

The soil I used was a MG premix with nutes. I have not been using any additional Nutes, Just using rain water to water them with.
 
wyteboi

wyteboi

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TwoTokeSmoke said:
Yes, they may be wasting good space..... I am perfectly fine with riding this out and letting them continue there path just to learn from. Its Kinda like a challenge to see if I can pull them back to a healthy stage and chalk it up as a learning experience even if the fruits of my labor are not there in the end I can still pat myself on the back and say I pulled them out of there dire death bed.

The soil I used was a MG premix with nutes. I have not been using any additional Nutes, Just using rain water to water them with.
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how old are they again ?

that MG is proly out of food by now. you say you replanted one of them ? when ? is it doing any better? did you use the MG again?
are you adding perlite to lighten up the mix so it will dry faster?

if what im thinkin is correct then the replanted one will start lookin better soon as the first watering drys up. (at least 5 days to a week or more)

if your a water freak or anyone who has a prob mantaining the moisture level , then use almost 50% perlite next time an it will make it very very hard for the moisture to damage them.







soil
 
wyteboi

wyteboi

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if there is no hairs or nothin on them , then i would go back to 18/6 , fix them , then bud them and then it wont be so much of a waste.

i have honestly never seen one that inmature after 4 weeks of 12/12. my worst ones will at least have small ugly buds on them.




soil
 
TwoTokeSmoke

TwoTokeSmoke

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wyteboi said:
how old are they again ?

that MG is proly out of food by now. you say you replanted one of them ? when ? is it doing any better? did you use the MG again?
are you adding perlite to lighten up the mix so it will dry faster?

if what im thinkin is correct then the replanted one will start lookin better soon as the first watering drys up. (at least 5 days to a week or more)

if your a water freak or anyone who has a prob mantaining the moisture level , then use almost 50% perlite next time an it will make it very very hard for the moisture to damage them.







soil
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The plants are about 10-12 weeks old total age. Yes, used MG again as I checked every store around and could not find anything different and couldn't find ANY perlite at all. I transplanted it Yesterday morning still no change for the good or worse. I will get some better pics in a few to show the stage they are in. Thanks for taking the time assisting me with this!!!
 
wyteboi

wyteboi

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well she should start pointin back up after the first watering drys up. (from the transplant)

no food just yet. a tsp to a tbs of molasses in your next gallon of water will help the life in the soil get rollin. but for now there is not much you can do. if you have a lil seaweed extract or kelp of some sort , that will also help reduce the stress.

them roots had to be almost fried , so we gotta work on that first.






soil
 
TwoTokeSmoke

TwoTokeSmoke

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wyteboi said:
well she should start pointin back up after the first watering drys up. (from the transplant)

no food just yet. a tsp to a tbs of molasses in your next gallon of water will help the life in the soil get rollin. but for now there is not much you can do. if you have a lil seaweed extract or kelp of some sort , that will also help reduce the stress.

them roots had to be almost fried , so we gotta work on that first.






soil
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Very well and thanks.... On a side note when I transplanted I did not water, i figured the new soil would help wick out some of the moisture in the old soil. Thanks again I will keep updating as time goes on.
 
laserbrn

laserbrn

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Seriously? NEW PLANTS. Start over with good quality soil and nutrients. That's the only lesson to be learned from this first grow. The plant grew, but you can see where things went wrong. This isn't going to teach you anything, it's just a waste of time. Do you not have access to more seeds or clones? That would at least explain WHY one would continue on with this.
 
TwoTokeSmoke

TwoTokeSmoke

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laserbrn said:
Seriously? NEW PLANTS. Start over with good quality soil and nutrients. That's the only lesson to be learned from this first grow. The plant grew, but you can see where things went wrong. This isn't going to teach you anything, it's just a waste of time. Do you not have access to more seeds or clones? That would at least explain WHY one would continue on with this.
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No I have plenty more seeds...
 
wheels619

wheels619

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TwoTokeSmoke said:
Ok, Point taken... I would really like to get a HPS it's just not in the budget right now. You say the color spectrum is off with what I have?? none of my lights are above 3000k they are all between 2700k and 3000k. Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't HPS run in the 2200k to 2700k range?? Also I have another question in regards to light requirements. Is it only the floor space (foot print) that determines this or does the height of the room make a big impact on that also? I understand that lights on top shine down more than up and I would probably loose some of the usable light from my side lighting shining up, how much useable light is lost to the height of the room??? My room is 5'x5' and 7' tall can I place a false wall about 4' tall so to say then my room would be 5'x2.5' will this help lower the foot print of the room to help with light requirements?? Thanks for all the help.
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with a 5x 2.5 space u would be ok with rockin a 400. but i would still go with a 600. personal prefference. as long as the plants are under it u should be fine. and in all reality the light wont even have to be right on them. it can be higher if needed and everything will still grow.its just a good rull of thumb to think about it this way the more available light u have to them the tighter and denser ur buds will be. its more of a warmer spectrum for flowering. for veg i would have chosen a higher spectrum bulb. if ur using cfls a bunch of 5k+ bulbs would be better than the warmer red spectrum bulbs that u have. a decent used 600 can probably be picked up on craigslist for around a hundy bucks. i honestly wouldnt even start again till u get the whole room set up. i was the same way when i started and it was nothing but headaches in the beginning trying o struggle to buy what i really needed to keep my plants alive. needless to say it can be done but it sucks.. lmao.like the other guy said u can let them dry out or u can start over and start a journal and post pics from the beggining and learn without wasting the space and time on the stunted plants. oh and cfls are only good in numbers. ive got a box thats 2x2 with 8 30+ watt 5000k+ bulbs and a 68 watt cfl lookin down from the top. i still need more foe the bigger plants. if ur planning on cfls for flower get about 20 more bulbs to surround ur plants in that 5x2.5 space. lol. or a nice t5 but i still recomend an hps.
 
wyteboi

wyteboi

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laserbrn said:
The plant grew, but you can see where things went wrong. This isn't going to teach you anything, it's just a waste of time.
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you cant see where things went wrong , thats the point .... to learn where things went wrong. you an me both know MG soil sucks but its NEVER the soils fault , its always the growers fault , so something needs to teach him where he went wrong.

he already said it aint about money nor the dope right this second , its about learning the cause of all this mess , not just that MG sucks.

if you dont have the time to help then no big deal.

you been the man for years laser , but something got you there. (an it probably wasnt just books)







soil :weed:
 
laserbrn

laserbrn

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Read my journals. I learned by starting over when things went to shit. You're not going to be able to figure out where you went wrong like this. MG Soil can grow plants just fine, but it's not the best route to take and it's actually more difficult than using a good quality soil. When/if this guy follows my first piece of advice and starts over, I'll be right here to help. We can discuss what soil he is going to use, what kind of water, what kind of nutrients, the lighting, all of the different available options and he can start a journal and get guidance through the whole thing. THAT is how I learned.

As long as he wants to hang on to this and delay starting over and learning how to do it propery from the very start.........I'll let you help.
 
TwoTokeSmoke

TwoTokeSmoke

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Well I have new seeds that are in the process of being germinated. I WILL let these plants continue on and see what comes of them, I doubt they will ever have anything of valid use except the experience I have and will recieved from them. Its not that I need the room for the new seedlings as I have another room for that.
I never had a issue in the start of there life. They were VERY vigorous and VERY healthy, so much so I would say they were nicer looking plants than a lot of others I have seen in the early stages. Things went south on me later on in there life. I have learned very much on this grow and will keep a journal going on this next grow for anyone that would like to assist a noob out. I guess we all make mistakes and learn from them and move on. I do appreciate ALL the advice I have received and look forward to continued advise as I go forward.
 
lime73

lime73

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Once you see it for yourself, that's when you will know. Have to go through the experience to really know what's best.

What was your watering schedule before you transplanted, how often,and how much water did you feed at one time?
 
laserbrn

laserbrn

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Well something definitely went wrong. From the looks of things it's an overfert situation. Particularly nitrogen toxicity. What kind of nutrients did you use for flowering? The plants don't need as much nitrogen in the later stages of life and will develop very dark growth and begin "The Claw". I have a little bit of "The claw" on some of my plants because they started to go yellow early in flower (stupid Fox Farms) and I had to add some in the 4th week of flowering. Boom, claw. I only added at 1/4 strength, but that late into the process it can be too much. The yellowing stopped so I achieved my goal, but what I'm looking at here seems to be an extreme case of the same thing.

Did you perhaps transplant right before flower? That soil may be great for veggin', but not so much flowering if the nutes aren't all used up prior. There's a plethorea of potential problems, but the #1 problem seems to be your lighting. You have a very nice sized space @ 5' x 5', any reason you aren't using HID's for flowering? Cost is an acceptable reason, so you can state that if you'd like, I'm not a hater, I'll help you out no matter what you've got. If you plan to use flouro's you should try to keep them smaller, a lot smaller. Tight compact plants with plenty of lights hanging around them CAN work, but HID's blow it outta the water.
 
laserbrn

laserbrn

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I think we pretty know where you went wrong. You've stated the problems already. You started them in little cups (perfect) transplanted to 5q containers that allowed light to leak in. Light kills roots. Did those 5q containers have proper drainage?

We know that your watering habits were poor and you learned your lesson from that.

Your containers were poor and you learned your lesson from that.

Your lighting is a bit weak.

You could use better soil.

You need to choose a proper lineup of nutrients (or tell us which ones you are using) and get them on a good reliable schedule.

I dunno, sounds like you learned alot from this first one already. If the root ball was all green and mossy with no roots exposed on the outsides the plant just won't be healthy. Too much moisture/watering and too much light getting into the rootzone.

I honestly think that with what you learned from this already you should be pointed in the right direction.
 
wheels619

wheels619

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ok the feal is we wont really know what went wrong with ur grow cuz we werent there to examine ur habits and what u were doing. but i can guarentee later on by ur third grow u will have a great idea of how u screwed it up ur firdt and wont do it again.
 
lime73

lime73

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TwoTokeSmoke said:
Well I have new seeds that are in the process of being germinated. I WILL let these plants continue on and see what comes of them, I doubt they will ever have anything of valid use except the experience I have and will recieved from them. Its not that I need the room for the new seedlings as I have another room for that.
I never had a issue in the start of there life. They were VERY vigorous and VERY healthy, so much so I would say they were nicer looking plants than a lot of others I have seen in the early stages. Things went south on me later on in there life. I have learned very much on this grow and will keep a journal going on this next grow for anyone that would like to assist a noob out. I guess we all make mistakes and learn from them and move on. I do appreciate ALL the advice I have received and look forward to continued advise as I go forward.
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What was your watering schedule before you transplanted, how often,and how much water did you feed at one time?
 
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