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mattman089

mattman089

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Ive had my new girls under 24/7 lighting for the past couple weeks and don't seem to be doing to well. Maybe a few deficiencies and what not but just doenst seem right. Leaves turning over etc.. pics attached.

Medium = 50/50 FFOF and Happy frog. Watering every few days with tap water around 200 ppm..

Any input is much appreciated!!

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m99smith

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mattman089 said:
why?? Serious question...
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Pot plants can survive without a dark period but it does stress it out. In the dark period the plant goes into sleep mode. they will droop during the dark period but nothing like that, yours look like they are dying.
But it's easier if you just look it up instead of me or other people on here telling you. it only takes 5 mins on Google.

And other then that the yellowing looks like a magnesium defecancy.
 
mattman089

mattman089

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m99smith said:
Pot plants can survive without a dark period but it does stress it out. In the dark period the plant goes into sleep mode. they will droop during the dark period but nothing like that, yours look like they are dying.
But it's easier if you just look it up instead of me or other people on here telling you. it only takes 5 mins on Google.

And other then that the yellowing looks like a magnesium defecancy.
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I appreciate the input and will give it a try.. thx brother.
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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Tiny plants in a huge ass container typically go like this. It's usually much better to start off small and transplant as needed. They are drooping because they are either too dry or too wet at the root zone; I'm betting too dry. Ocean forest has all they should need for the first 45-60 days so why are you feeding them and what exactly are they being fed?
 
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m99smith

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Richard Drysift said:
Tiny plants in a huge ass container typically go like this. It's usually much better to start off small and transplant as needed. They are drooping because they are either too dry or too wet at the root zone; I'm betting too dry. Ocean forest has all they should need for the first 45-60 days so why are you feeding them and what exactly are they being fed?
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^^he has a good point^^

Its easier to starve a small plant in a large bucket. it's better to start with a solo cup/1 gal then transplant into a 3 gal then up to 5-7 gal.
 
mattman089

mattman089

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larrypizzimp93 said:
much smaller. I would go to 1-2 gallon for that size. and water the whole pot. looks like you're watering the center
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Indeed I am.. Trying not to transplant too many times to eliminate shock and water right at the root zone in final container..

Food for thought much appreciated
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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mattman089 said:
just transplanted them last week but maybe i should've gone smaller?? @m99smith @Richard Drysift

EDIT: To add - havent been feeding. Watering only my bad :blsmoke::peace:
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Oh ok was thinking they were started in there. Transplant shock is not really a thing; increase the size of the container as is needed. Wow your tap water is at 200ppm? That seems real high...but then again so am I. Consider trying a cleaner water source if at all possible; even if just to see if that helps. I had similar issues with my crappy chloramine laden municipal tap water. Noticeable improvement when I started giving them collected rain and dehumidifier water. If you are trying to avoid using synthetic nutes start with clean water.
Usually when they claw up like that it's from too much N but these are also kind of pale. Could be a ph/absorbtion issue or but that is kinda rare using a bag soil. It is likely that the micro life in your mix has become inactive which can cause ph to increase. You can easily reverse this by top dressing with worm castings and maybe some dry fertilizer. Chicken manure is a fast working source of N and loaded with bacteria. EWC will recharge the soil, provide micro life, and slowly lower ph back to range for full absorption. Hard to say if giving a nice safe low dose of soluble nutrients would help but it might. Try adding raw organic material first and that seems to help feed them something mild like liquid fish.
 
mattman089

mattman089

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Richard Drysift said:
Oh ok was thinking they were started in there. Transplant shock is not really a thing; increase the size of the container as is needed. Wow your tap water is at 200ppm? That seems real high...but then again so am I. Consider trying a cleaner water source if at all possible; even if just to see if that helps. I had similar issues with my crappy chloramine laden municipal tap water. Noticeable improvement when I started giving them collected rain and dehumidifier water. If you are trying to avoid using synthetic nutes start with clean water.
Usually when they claw up like that it's from too much N but these are also kind of pale. Could be a ph/absorbtion issue or but that is kinda rare using a bag soil. It is likely that the micro life in your mix has become inactive which can cause ph to increase. You can easily reverse this by top dressing with worm castings and maybe some dry fertilizer. Chicken manure is a fast working source of N and loaded with bacteria. EWC will recharge the soil, provide micro life, and slowly lower ph back to range for full absorption. Hard to say if giving a nice safe low dose of soluble nutrients would help but it might. Try adding raw organic material first and that seems to help feed them something mild like liquid fish.
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Awesome. Very valuable, thanks!!

Yea, 200 is a little high will probably try some distilled water going forward and see how they react. Rain water and especially dehumidifier water both sound like good ideas - never thought or heard of using dehumidifier water... Solid!

The input is much appreciated. Hopefully will help in getting these things standing tall and green as the green giant :hump::weed:
 
Mullalulla

Mullalulla

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mattman089 said:
Awesome. Very valuable, thanks!!

Yea, 200 is a little high will probably try some distilled water going forward and see how they react. Rain water and especially dehumidifier water both sound like good ideas - never thought or heard of using dehumidifier water... Solid!

The input is much appreciated. Hopefully will help in getting these things standing tall and green as the green giant :hump::weed:
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Distilled water ? What ? Dude Ph your water. You have not mentioned that .. stop jumping to stuff like dehumidifier water right off the bat. If you Ph is all fuck'd up it can have an effect. Also what they said. 18/6.
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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mattman089 said:
Awesome. Very valuable, thanks!!

Yea, 200 is a little high will probably try some distilled water going forward and see how they react. Rain water and especially dehumidifier water both sound like good ideas - never thought or heard of using dehumidifier water... Solid!

The input is much appreciated. Hopefully will help in getting these things standing tall and green as the green giant :hump::weed:
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I used to just dump the dehumidifier water down the drain up to 2x daily in the summer but then found out plants actually thrive on it. Been giving it to them for over 5 years now but it's stark; has only 30 ppm. So if your soil is low in macros you might need to add cal/mag. Gen organics cal/mag+ is a good choice; OMRI safe for living soil.
Rain of course is the best to give them; contains macros and is active with micro life. I try to keep a few buckets out under my awning when it rains or snows melt runoff.
Don't ph your water in soil. If you have to do this you might as well just grow in coco with nutrients. Nothing wrong with that; water only organic soil just gives better flavor imo. Instead drop PH in the soil naturally by adding compost and fertilizer; the plants will take just care of themselves. Learn about recycling the soil and add some D-lime after each harvest. Then just water the plants to keep them green and happy.
Consider getting some granular mycorrhizae which helps with absorption through symbiosis. Just sprinkle in the hole at each transplant; works like a charm. I use mykos xtreme cuz it's cheap but any brand myco will do.
 
mattman089

mattman089

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Mullalulla said:
Distilled water ? What ? Dude Ph your water. You have not mentioned that .. stop jumping to stuff like dehumidifier water right off the bat. If you Ph is all fuck'd up it can have an effect. Also what they said. 18/6.
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Wtf are you talking about? Just bc it's distilled doesn't mean I cant PH it you freakin' weirdo lmao wtf??!

JFC :wall:
 
curious2garden

curious2garden

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mattman089 said:
Awesome. Very valuable, thanks!!

Yea, 200 is a little high will probably try some distilled water going forward and see how they react. Rain water and especially dehumidifier water both sound like good ideas - never thought or heard of using dehumidifier water... Solid!

The input is much appreciated. Hopefully will help in getting these things standing tall and green as the green giant :hump::weed:
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My tap typically runs 250ish. I stopped using R/O years ago and my plants are fine and in veg I run 18/6.
 
Mullalulla

Mullalulla

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mattman089 said:
Wtf are you talking about? Just bc it's distilled doesn't mean I cant PH it you freakin' weirdo lmao wtf??!

JFC :wall:
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You never once said anything about phing anything, your the one with shit looking plants dude.

JFC your self all the way to the back.
 
mattman089

mattman089

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Mullalulla said:
You never once said anything about phing anything, your the one with shit looking plants dude.

JFC your self all the way to the back.
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1. who the fuk doesn't ph their water? I mean come on...

2. They're not even my plants I made the posts to help a friend who hasn't grown in a few years who doesn't feel like making an account on here. One of my plants can be seen in my avatar.

3. They honestly don't even look THAT bad... minor deficiencies and will be able to bounce back with a few minor changes.
 
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