help on advanced nutrients

Sir.Ganga

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From what I gather you need apparently 4000 additives with the AN line...which kinda makes me feel like it is a rip off...I use High Nitrogen bat guano in veg, and a mish mash of samples in bloom...if it isn't hurting the plant I assume it is helping in bloom...My buds look the best when I grow them in coco with Canna nutes...
My buds look pretty much the same if I use a higher P guano, Botanicare pure blend pro soil bloom, General Organics Bio-Bloom, Veg+Bloom from hydroponic research, or any of the other things I have tried..haven't used AN since I first started...Someone on here made the AN line sound so easy and efficient...but it was not...not when you compare it with other lines...
The General Hydroponics General Organics GO Box is a great kit to start out with...unless you wanna switch to coco of course...because like I said my buds always come out the same with all the above mentioned things added...but the Coco with Canna nutes is the shit yo...for real...I feel like the Canna nutes are a little pricey, at least locally to me...I don't mind though, because I see what I am paying for...where as a lot of nutes I take continued life as having been a success...lol
Sadly you have been mis-informed about their products. First you don't have to use all their products, these additives are to dial in your set up and specific strains. You can be a novice and just use the 2 or 3 part systems or you can do a little schooling on the subject to better understand the plants needs to maximize you production.

Either way don't listen to anyone and due some research there are many good products out there, it comes down to what do you want out of your garden?
 

homebrewer

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Lots of fresh accounts starting and posting in threads like this recently. Kinda makes you wonder who would have that sort of time on their hands and why that would be needed??? :lol:

i am going to be starting a new grow soon and want to use advanced nutrients could someone who has used before give me a list of all the products i will be needing start to finish
Post less, read more. If you're thinking about handing money over to a company that sells more than 40 different bottles to grow a plant, you're already headed down the wrong path.

There is a journal in my signature where I tested AN's Connoisseur, I'd recommend you read it.
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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Lots of fresh accounts starting and posting in threads like this recently. Kinda makes you wonder who would have that sort of time on their hands and why that would be needed??? :lol:



Post less, read more. If you're thinking about handing money over to a company that sells more than 40 different bottles to grow a plant, you're already headed down the wrong path.

There is a journal in my signature where I tested AN's Connoisseur, I'd recommend you read it.
lmao...his account has been open for a month and he's posted 8 times. lol. this is classic.

kinda makes you wonder why someone would spend so much time trying to talk people out of AN. clearly it's already been proven that it's not any more expensive then Dyna and it's been proven that when "real" growers use it they produce very quality plants. i am inclined not believe someone who couldn't even keep their plants healthy only using a base 2 part nute. seems like the point of that "journal" was not to prove that Dyna was a good nute...more like a staged burning of plants. wonder why anyone would waste their time burning plants on purpose???? :o
 
Me myself found that less is way better for your girls after all they can only consume a certain amount of nutes in a certain amount of time...I use as much organic nutes as i can...I also add trace eliments as needed but if you really study this horticulture stuff yo will find that u dont need half of the stuff that your hydro shops sells! and i am brand new to this 1st time growing ever! but a lot of you guys helped me study thats a big difference also..
 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
Me myself found that less is way better for your girls after all they can only consume a certain amount of nutes in a certain amount of time...I use as much organic nutes as i can...I also add trace eliments as needed but if you really study this horticulture stuff yo will find that u dont need half of the stuff that your hydro shops sells! and i am brand new to this 1st time growing ever! but a lot of you guys helped me study thats a big difference also..
You my friend are headed down the right path. Keep using that brain of yours and you'll see some beautiful flowers soon enough without going broke in the process. Blessed be the grower who sees past the snake oil sales pitch :).
 
You my friend are headed down the right path. Keep using that brain of yours and you'll see some beautiful flowers soon enough without going broke in the process. Blessed be the grower who sees past the snake oil sales pitch :).
Thank you friend! I truly love the whole biology of it all! It is amazing to me! especially with the knowledge that the expert share and books galore everyday its some good info that is more exciting than the last crazy....I HAVE FOUND MY CALLING!
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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Me myself found that less is way better for your girls after all they can only consume a certain amount of nutes in a certain amount of time...I use as much organic nutes as i can...I also add trace eliments as needed but if you really study this horticulture stuff yo will find that u dont need half of the stuff that your hydro shops sells! and i am brand new to this 1st time growing ever! but a lot of you guys helped me study thats a big difference also..
good point man. couldn't agree with you more. just makes me laugh whan guys on this forum try and sell Dyna like it's some all in one cheaper nutrient when in reality it costs the same or more than some of the higher quality companies. good luck.
 

Sir.Ganga

New Member
You my friend are headed down the right path. Keep using that brain of yours and you'll see some beautiful flowers soon enough without going broke in the process. Blessed be the grower who sees past the snake oil sales pitch :).
Well if you don't know what your missng even MG makes plants look good! Improper application of any nutes will result in shortchanging your outcome. Show me your best plant on any nutrients and Ill show you mine. Im running about 1.3g per watt, whats your numbers.

If you understand nutrients and plants we would not be having this discussion.

Beautiful flowers are one thing but a bumper crop time after time is what we are all here for, NO?
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

Well-Known Member
Well if you don't know what your missng even MG makes plants look good! Improper application of any nutes will result in shortchanging your outcome. Show me your best plant on any nutrients and Ill show you mine. Im running about 1.3g per watt, whats your numbers.

If you understand nutrients and plants we would not be having this discussion.

Beautiful flowers are one thing but a bumper crop time after time is what we are all here for, NO?
throwing down the GUANTLET!!! love it.
 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
Well if you don't know what your missng even MG makes plants look good! Improper application of any nutes will result in shortchanging your outcome. Show me your best plant on any nutrients and Ill show you mine. Im running about 1.3g per watt, whats your numbers.

If you understand nutrients and plants we would not be having this discussion.

Beautiful flowers are one thing but a bumper crop time after time is what we are all here for, NO?
First of all, yield is dependent on many things. The big 'things' are strain, wattage and growing style. Vertical setups and the implementation of light movers are great ways to maximize yield based on wattage, but given the space those styles can take up, I'd just rather add more watts as electricity is cheaper than space. You're curious about my yields, Phil? Read my journals (where are yours?) and you'll find your answer.

You seem to want to make this discussion about plant food and how that relates to yield, yet environment and mastering the basics (aka, germinating seeds, sound familiar Phil? :lol:) has far more impact on the health of a plant if things aren't done correctly.

As for pictures? I'd love to see some of yours, Phil, since you seem to be d*ck-riding expensive plant foods with ZERO grow journals. Show us that spending a small fortune materializes into proportionately healthier plants. As for your pics, you better put a date IN the picture as anyone with as many accounts as you Mr phillipchristian, scoobydoobydoo, nuglets, getoffmyballs, sir ganja and posts 60 times per day in Toke-n-talk cannot be trusted.

Actually, I don't think I'll be seeing your pics as you'll be on my ignore list after this post. I'll take a peek though but we won't be interacting any more ;). I know this probably breaks your heart as you seem to have a crush on me :oops:.

Peruvian Haze:



From my current H&G test:



112 days of flowering, Kali Mist:



Peruvian Haze:



Purple something, not exactly sure what the name of the cut is:

 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

Well-Known Member
i guess you are so arrogant to think that only 1 person in the entire forum would dare disagree with you; therefore you try and make it out that everyone who has disagreed with you is the same person. that's hilarious. haven't you already stated about 5 times today that you were done responding to me or sir ganja who you think is me? i will say this though...great job skirting the question he posed. how come you can't get the yields he does if you are such an experienced grower and Dyna is such a quality nute? strains and environment aside since you have grown plenty of heavy yielding strains and i'm pretty sure your environment is dialed in. really quite strange how you always seem to avoid the real questions HB. you are a crafty shill; i'll give you credit for that. still haven't seen you post anything as good looking as my bud pics or anything even close to the yields of sir ganja. but i guess that won't stop you from peddling your "snake oils"
 

patlpp

New Member
AN costs more than it should...you really don't need 25 bottles ......there are other stuff that works better
checkout this thread https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/429438-dyna-gro-vs-advanced-nutrients.html
its going to cost me a few dollars to feed the soil crop i have going.....+
Yeah listen to SenorBrownWater man. Dont waste your money. I just got done tearing someone else up on here for Being an AN fanboy telling everyone how great they are. keep it simple. remember its a weed. treat it well and she will do you just fine. over do it and she will hate you.
From what I gather you need apparently 4000 additives with the AN line...which kinda makes me feel like it is a rip off...I use High Nitrogen bat guano in veg, and a mish mash of samples in bloom...if it isn't hurting the plant I assume it is helping in bloom...My buds look the best when I grow them in coco with Canna nutes...
My buds look pretty much the same if I use a higher P guano, Botanicare pure blend pro soil bloom, General Organics Bio-Bloom, Veg+Bloom from hydroponic research, or any of the other things I have tried..haven't used AN since I first started...Someone on here made the AN line sound so easy and efficient...but it was not...not when you compare it with other lines...
The General Hydroponics General Organics GO Box is a great kit to start out with...unless you wanna switch to coco of course...because like I said my buds always come out the same with all the above mentioned things added...but the Coco with Canna nutes is the shit yo...for real...I feel like the Canna nutes are a little pricey, at least locally to me...I don't mind though, because I see what I am paying for...where as a lot of nutes I take continued life as having been a success...lol
Lots of fresh accounts starting and posting in threads like this recently. Kinda makes you wonder who would have that sort of time on their hands and why that would be needed??? :lol:



Post less, read more. If you're thinking about handing money over to a company that sells more than 40 different bottles to grow a plant, you're already headed down the wrong path.

There is a journal in my signature where I tested AN's Connoisseur, I'd recommend you read it.
You my friend are headed down the right path. Keep using that brain of yours and you'll see some beautiful flowers soon enough without going broke in the process. Blessed be the grower who sees past the snake oil sales pitch :).
First of all, yield is dependent on many things. The big 'things' are strain, wattage and growing style. Vertical setups and the implementation of light movers are great ways to maximize yield based on wattage, but given the space those styles can take up, I'd just rather add more watts as electricity is cheaper than space. You're curious about my yields, Phil? Read my journals (where are yours?) and you'll find your answer.

You seem to want to make this discussion about plant food and how that relates to yield, yet environment and mastering the basics (aka, germinating seeds, sound familiar Phil? :lol:) has far more impact on the health of a plant if things aren't done correctly.

As for pictures? I'd love to see some of yours, Phil, since you seem to be d*ck-riding expensive plant foods with ZERO grow journals. Show us that spending a small fortune materializes into proportionately healthier plants. As for your pics, you better put a date IN the picture as anyone with as many accounts as you Mr phillipchristian, scoobydoobydoo, nuglets, getoffmyballs, sir ganja and posts 60 times per day in Toke-n-talk cannot be trusted.

Actually, I don't think I'll be seeing your pics as you'll be on my ignore list after this post. I'll take a peek though but we won't be interacting any more ;). I know this probably breaks your heart as you seem to have a crush on me :oops:.

Peruvian Haze:



From my current H&G test:



112 days of flowering, Kali Mist:



Peruvian Haze:



Purple something, not exactly sure what the name of the cut is:



i guess you are so arrogant to think that only 1 person in the entire forum would dare disagree with you; therefore you try and make it out that everyone who has disagreed with you is the same person. that's hilarious. haven't you already stated about 5 times today that you were done responding to me or sir ganja who you think is me? i will say this though...great job skirting the question he posed. how come you can't get the yields he does if you are such an experienced grower and Dyna is such a quality nute? strains and environment aside since you have grown plenty of heavy yielding strains and i'm pretty sure your environment is dialed in. really quite strange how you always seem to avoid the real questions HB. you are a crafty shill; i'll give you credit for that. still haven't seen you post anything as good looking as my bud pics or anything even close to the yields of sir ganja. but i guess that won't stop you from peddling your "snake oils"
sorry about hijacking yout thread man. i just hate seeing shills on this site.

WTF do all these bullshit posts have to do with the question at hand? If the man wants to use AN, let him. You all sound like a bunch of bible-thumpers trying to convert someone. It gets tiring.
I could give a rats ass that Dyno is the best thing on the face of the earth in one man's opinion. Everyone has an opinion.
Sensi works great, GH works great, Dyno works great.

OP: Sensi or 3-part PH perfect would be a good line to start, no additives. Just try that as a noob, it's almost fool proof IMO. After your first grow, get an additive or 2 if you want but for a small grow you don't need the money spent for that little extra volume. You're not growing commercially. Like Homebrew said, put your dollars into light !!

 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
Well if you don't know what your missng even MG makes plants look good! Improper application of any nutes will result in shortchanging your outcome. Show me your best plant on any nutrients and Ill show you mine. Im running about 1.3g per watt, whats your numbers.

If you understand nutrients and plants we would not be having this discussion.

Beautiful flowers are one thing but a bumper crop time after time is what we are all here for, NO?
Phil, I mean Sir Ganga, sorry ;). I'm just wondering why you claimed 1.3 grams per watt in this thread yet in this other thread (https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/535238-2-pounds-per-week-perpetual.html#post7552569) you claimed the following:



I am currently running 8500watts in a perpetual cycle. 6lbs mnthly is what Im averaging, that works out to about 1g per watt.

8lbs per month? Highly unlikely with 3200. I don't even think Jorge can do that?

3-4lbs a mnth would be about 1g per watt, a better number for an experienced grower.

Good Luck
So is it 1 gram per watt or is it 1.3 grams per watt?

Actually, 8500 watts at 1 gram per watt is 9.3 pounds per month. With your numbers you posted above, you're around .63 grams per watt which is not very good. I'm not a stickler for yield but I am for liars. I think I'll be putting you back on my ignore list.

Btw, AN's Connoisseur yielded .75 grams per watt for me which for me, is not very good.
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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Phil, I mean Sir Ganga, sorry ;). I'm just wondering why you claimed 1.3 grams per watt in this thread yet in this other thread (https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/535238-2-pounds-per-week-perpetual.html#post7552569) you claimed the following:

So is it 1 gram per watt or is it 1.3 grams per watt?

Actually, 8500 watts at 1 gram per watt is 9.3 pounds per month. With your numbers you posted above, you're around .63 grams per watt which is not very good. I'm not a stickler for yield but I am for liars. I think I'll be putting you back on my ignore list.

Btw, AN's Connoisseur yielded .75 grams per watt for me which for me, is not very good.
lmao...this guy is really reaching to argue some semantics. it's gotten so peddy he's searching your threads to argue over .3gpw. this should pretty much sum up what homebrewer is all about to anyone paying attention. we already proved he was "wrong" about the concentration levels of dyna and that he obviously burnt his conni crop. he only argues AN with newbs on their threads. never goes to an experienced growers thread to argue nutes. the only reason he comes here is because i call him out every time he posts here. he had my questions erased in his journal cause they exposed his incorrect "facts." i even have several of the guys from his journal asking me questions about HB now via PM. anything to help put to rest the blatant errors and misinformation he has been passing along in this forum. :bigjoint:
 

Sir.Ganga

New Member
So math wasn't your're strength either? 8500 watts on a perpetual cycle based on 12 weeks, 4 weeks veg, 8 weeks flowers works out to 6.3 pounds or roughly 1.3 grams per watt

Watts are kind of like statistics, you can just about proove anything using the right formula.

You must grow a crop in 2 mnths or something??? I don't know???

Im not trying to make myself look better so when I say "about 1g per watt" I know Im not over talking my boundries. I didn't expect it to be picked apart by someone trying to dig up dirt!
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

Well-Known Member
So math wasn't your're strength either? 8500 watts on a perpetual cycle based on 12 weeks, 4 weeks veg, 8 weeks flowers works out to 6.3 pounds or roughly 1.3 grams per watt

Watts are kind of like statistics, you can just about proove anything using the right formula.

You must grow a crop in 2 mnths or something??? I don't know???

Im not trying to make myself look better so when I say "about 1g per watt" I know Im not over talking my boundries. I didn't expect it to be picked apart by someone trying to dig up dirt!
he doesn't veg plants. they all pop out 30" tall and he goes straight to flower. lmao.
 
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