help plant looking deficient

az2000 · Dec 23, 2015

iPop said:
1-1-1 is ok in veg, but I've found that 3-1-2 produces better and more vigorous plants. 1-3-2 is best for flower

Do you have a grow journal documenting that? I'd like to see that. Especially the 1-3-2 performance.

It may depend on the nutrients, but with what I use, 2-1-1.8 starts to approach N toxicity. I've seen Dyna-Gro users doing 3-1-2 and some of them look about the same. I don't believe I could do N=3 with what I use (based on what I've seen).

I finish at 1-2-1.8. I have yellowing if I get there too soon. 1-3-2 is (for me) booster level. I might do it once or twice. But, I don't notice any (significant) difference doing that or not. I'm a little nervous about recommending high PK levels because we see so many new growers with serious problems in flower because they think it's supposed to be done that way.

I believe hydro growers use higher ratios like that.

For @youngg , this is the latest veg photo using MiracleGro 1-1-1 ratio (day 27). When I say "pale" it's a very subtle matter of degrees. Please don't go crazy about your fertilizer being "inadequate." Hopefully your fertilizer will work as well and you can play with varying the ratios in a later grow. It's best to change it in small steps to see how your plants respond with your soil, your nutrients. (Not based on what someone else says.). Just get through this one without second-guessing things.

youngg · Dec 24, 2015

Az2000 is this though the amount of water she's holding few pics here

az2000 · Dec 24, 2015

I didn't understand the question. What is "this" you're referring to? It looks good, like it's doing better.

youngg · Dec 24, 2015

If you zoom in on some leaves bro there's some like dents only small circles but just did some research same thing happened to someone else they said it was just stress though transplant and cleared up after next couple sets of leaves

youngg · Dec 24, 2015

Soil top still not dry though any ideas how can get it dry out quicker

az2000 · Dec 24, 2015

youngg said:
Soil top still not dry though any ideas how can get it dry out quicker

It's going to be like this for awhile because you xplanted into an oversized container. It might also be compounded by lack of perlite. It's hard to say until you've had a plant properly sized to the container and can see how long it stays wet. (I like lots of perlite. Perlite is God's gift to cannabis, especially if you're delivering the nutrients to the plant instead of using a nutrient-rich soil.).

Just be patient.

youngg · Dec 24, 2015

az2000 said:
It's going to be like this for awhile because you xplanted into an oversized container. It might also be compounded by lack of perlite. It's hard to say until you've had a plant properly sized to the container and can see how long it stays wet. (I like lots of perlite. Perlite is God's gift to cannabis, especially if you're delivering the nutrients to the plant instead of using a nutrient-rich soil.).

Just be patient.

I really do think it's lacking perlite to but nothing i can do now and its been 3-4 days now under light fan and with a plant init but a pot that size just hope the soil top gets dry in 3-4days

az2000 · Dec 24, 2015

youngg said:
its been 3-4 days now under light fan and with a plant init but a pot that size just hope the soil top gets dry in 3-4days

What I struggle with in such cases is waiting for the container to become dryer (lighter in weight) but not letting the top 1-2" become bone dry. It's a delicate balance. When I don't feel moisture 1" down, I will lightly spray the top of the soil. But, not so much that water will run down to the wetter areas and take longer for the container (generally) to become dryer.

I might be over-thinking that. It might be ok to water with some runoff when the top 1" is dry. But, since you already had a problem overwatering, I think I would try to manage the top 1". Let it have it's own wet/dry cycles while waiting for the majority of the container to become lighter in weight.

youngg · Dec 26, 2015

Az2000 any ideas she's looking really sick I know we already spoke about not needing hps but the soil is staying to moist do you not reakon it would help

az2000 · Dec 26, 2015

youngg said:
Az2000 any ideas she's looking really sick I know we already spoke about not needing hps but the soil is staying to moist do you not reakon it would help

Can you be specific about what looks sick? It looks better to me than the last pictures. Is it possible you're being hyper-critical (exaggerating imperfections)?

I don't recall saying anything about HPS. If you're thinking of using that to accelerate the drying of the soil, I think it will just add to the challenge I mentioned (the top drying too much before the remainder). It's hard to know when to water a large container like that, as the plant grows into it.

Given your history as Gunga Din (the water bearer), I would try to err on the side of less. I would give up the idea of trying to help the soil dry. I'm really reluctant to say this because I wouldn't do it, if I were you. But, gently probing the soil with a coat hanger-diameter wire can aerate the soil and help it dry. I do that with a 1/4" rod in flower when my soil is less fluffy. I wouldn't do it. I think you need to sit on your hands and let your plant grow. Just manage the top 1" of soil moisture as I described.

youngg · Dec 26, 2015

az2000 said:
Can you be specific about what looks sick? It looks better to me than the last pictures. Is it possible you're being hyper-critical (exaggerating imperfections)?

I don't recall saying anything about HPS. If you're thinking of using that to accelerate the drying of the soil, I think it will just add to the challenge I mentioned (the top drying too much before the remainder). It's hard to know when to water a large container like that, as the plant grows into it.

Given your history as Gunga Din (the water bearer), I would try to err on the side of less. I would give up the idea of trying to help the soil dry. I'm really reluctant to say this because I wouldn't do it, if I were you. But, gently probing the soil with a coat hanger-diameter wire can aerate the soil and help it dry. I do that with a 1/4" rod in flower when my soil is less fluffy. I wouldn't do it. I think you need to sit on your hands and let your plant grow. Just manage the top 1" of soil moisture as I described.

She's got some purple stems some of the leaf tips looks droopy but wet and the new leaves are folding in half from the bottom working to the tip

az2000 · Dec 26, 2015

youngg said:
She's got some purple stems some of the leaf tips looks droopy but wet and the new leaves are folding in half from the bottom working to the tip

They do that. Relax. They look better to me. If anyone sees a problem, they can speak up. But, they look like they're doing better.

This is important. How many pieces of perlite are visible on the surface of the soil? I'm serious. This is a big deal. Monitor that. If you see it change, that would indicate something. Focus on that for awhile.

youngg · Dec 26, 2015

There's a lot less now visible to when I first added perlite

az2000 · Dec 26, 2015

Give me a new picture. Have you been prudent in your husbandry?

youngg · Dec 28, 2015

Hi az2000 a good few pics here sorry not been on couple of days with Christmas her bottom leaves getting yellow edges and new leaves still folded lengthways but still not managed feed still bit to much water yet but she definitely looks a lot better much more growth as she stops a while

youngg · Dec 28, 2015

Hi az2000 sorry not been on over Christmas a good few pics here but she still got new leaves folding lengthways and bottom of plant a leaf or 2 getting yellow edges any ideas but she looks a lot healthier as before she stopped growing it seemed

youngg · Dec 28, 2015

Did you get that post az2000

youngg · Dec 28, 2015

az2000 said:
Give me a new picture. Have you been prudent in your husbandry?

Hi az2000 sorry not been on over Christmas a good few pics here but she still got new leaves folding lengthways and bottom of plant a leaf or 2 getting yellow edges any ideas but she looks a lot healthier as before she stopped growing it seemed

zippi563 · Dec 28, 2015

youngg said:
She's had some problems before transplanting so can't be that can anyone help I'll post some pics below please help

looks fine maybe a little fert splash on leaf and a little over watered

youngg · Dec 29, 2015

Any ideas why do top leaves seem to be not stretching out and staying folded any ideas heard that when your top leaves folding like that lengthways can be root rot to can damaging roots leave her like this for abit

youngg · Dec 28, 2015

Won't let post nothing

youngg · Dec 29, 2015

Some more pics

youngg · Dec 29, 2015

Or do you reakon could be boron deficiency and can be treated with noric acid or sulphur deficiency and could be treated to epsom salts

orbo · Dec 29, 2015

IMO the top looks pretty normal. I would be guessing but I think that lower stuff is just natural die off. Probably low light combined with soil contact due to deep transplant. Deep transplant is 100% a good thing, it just sometimes causes a little die off on the low leaves.

orbo · Dec 29, 2015

youngg said:
Any ideas why do top leaves seem to be not stretching out and staying folded any ideas heard that when your top leaves folding like that lengthways can be root rot to can damaging roots leave her like this for abit

Those top leaves will fan out when they are ready, and it appears they are not ready yet.

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