Help Please! Deficiency or Rust Disease?!

1weedz4 said:

Thanks I'll try that. I read on another threat my ppm for week 7 should be about 1000.

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Hot but I assume thats for a healthy plant like as in something hngry as fck and is just taking the full sword brother! Your plant looks more like they sick lady chap and believe me I have had this exact problem 5 times!¬ The 4th time I got it sussed and then when it came again I had it sorted sharpish. I have Potassium Sulfate on hand all the time now, they love it with no Phos in there¬!¬¬

1weedz4 said:

I think my PPM's are low..

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So what ppm of calmag were you running? Most guys run 100-150 ppms of a calmag suplplement. I mean theres yellowing between the leaf viens which looks like mag def, and spots and dots which looks like cal def, and the leaves are yellowing and dying like when theres not enough calmag. Still thinkin calmag ph is not going to do that to a plant. Thats rediculous, and to all those who are about to start screaming lockout, just look at his water out number. Its fine.

1weedz4 said:

Thanks I'll try that. I read on another threat my ppm for week 7 should be about 1000.

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How many weeks of flower is it supposed to go? If its an 8 week plant id be going a little lower than 1000, but if youve been starving her 1000 wouldnt be that bad of an idea. The plant stops feeding heavy a weekish before harvest so just keep that in mind. And if you look up potassium and phosphorus overdose youll see why, bad taste.

Alienwidow said:

So what ppm of calmag were you running? Most guys run 100-150 ppms of a calmag suplplement. I mean theres yellowing between the leaf viens which looks like mag def, and spots and dots which looks like cal def, and the leaves are yellowing and dying like when theres not enough calmag. Still thinkin calmag ph is not going to do that to a plant. Thats rediculous, and to all those who are about to start screaming lockout, just look at his water out number. Its fine.

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I thought it was 7? I sort of looked at Pic 5 and they are K starved leaves I don't care what penisaria says are wankapedia! the tips are probably curling up incase they need more water, and thats because the sulfur looks ph locked out in some pictures, but like I say unless its on my bench I can only go off my experience and pics!

I aren't saying it isnt showing some cal n mag n iron n zinc shortages of course it is but the root of his problems here is in the rootzones environment, its getting fed more than enough 700ppm + Additional Calmag in soil at week 7 this would look bigger, healghier and probably fatter if it was getting use of that nutrient, that is just a fact regardless of how many times its happened to me or experience. Theres either wrong numbers here or she ain't taking the full sword man!

Yes I'd be shoving my extra PK straight up her at this stage last 2 weeks normally so do it and see what happens, she might just be a proper greedy little mincer and love you for it, but Ph7 still ain't low enough ime.

1weedz4 said:

Hey dudes,

I posted a previous thread about some issues I'm having and we came to the conclusion that this is a Calcium deficiency. But now I'm thinking it's not. I upped the dosage on the CalMag and have not gotten any results.

This is the first time I have mixed FFOF and Happy Frog. Usually I just stick with FFOF and perlite and have great results.

Please take a look at the pics I took. Can anyone help me out on this? Is it a deficiency or RUST disease. The leaves are turning yellow with dark spots and some are curling inward now.

Thank you.

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Looks more like Magnesium and Nitrogen deficient. And a tad Calcium. Have you been feeding them anything?

Alexander Supertramp said:

Looks more like Magnesium and Nitrogen deficient. And a tad Calcium. Have you been feeding them anything?

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Agreed but its everything going because the Ph is too high, and if this plant had been fed weak nutes at the correct Ph it would not look like this, it would be healthier, simple as that! And yeah its showing NPKMCSZ fuckknows what def but its been fed at the wrong Ph, we've all done it surely!!!!

Week 7 fuck the calmag right off and get some K in there but lets have this Ph down, its right trust me. If you want then add some Mag Sulphate to help the K uptake but shes eating herself for that K man. Fuck the oooh it ain't gonna look pretty jockstraps, get some last minute weight on them buds mate! Low Ph 6-6.2 and then feed her the shit fella, its calyx weight we need now, she's gonna be dead in 3 weeks!

Cl@rksville said:

I thought it was 7? I sort of looked at Pic 5 and they are K starved leaves I don't care what penisaria says are wankapedia! the tips are probably curling up incase they need more water, and thats because the sulfur looks ph locked out in some pictures, but like I say unless its on my bench I can only go off my experience and pics!

I aren't saying it isnt showing some cal n mag n iron n zinc shortages of course it is but the root of his problems here is in the rootzones environment, its getting fed more than enough 700ppm + Additional Calmag in soil at week 7 this would look bigger, healghier and probably fatter if it was getting use of that nutrient, that is just a fact regardless of how many times its happened to me or experience. Theres either wrong numbers here or she ain't taking the full sword man!

Yes I'd be shoving my extra PK straight up her at this stage last 2 weeks normally so do it and see what happens, she might just be a proper greedy little mincer and love you for it, but Ph7 still ain't low enough ime.

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The starting ph is seven, its 6.4-6.5 comin out. So to me that says that the dirt is probably lower than 6.4-6.5 right? Since the ph of the water has dropped half a point going through the soil. Its pretty hard to change the ph of the soil anyway right?
Ive run grows with the cal mag supplement running at 100 or less ppms every watering and still seen mag def. which looks like the yellowing hes showing between the viens. Kinda looks like zebra stripes going yellow and green.
Calcium and magnesium are by far the most common deficiencies in growing, and i see em on here everyday, mostly mag but whatever.
The other thing ive learned kickin around plant problems is that 95% of the time its grower error and not something they have no control over.
Personally, i cut out cal and mag at week seven of flower on my 55 day finishers, and most of the nitrogen too. And i havent phed in five years. Never. And ive never had a problem that needed fixing besides bug problems and a mag issue a couple times and a minor claw here and there from being rammy with the food.
I think your good people clark, but im just givin ya a heads up that were going to clash on ideas in the future so i dont want you to take it personally cause i like ya. Cheers.

Alienwidow said:

The starting ph is seven, its 6.4-6.5 comin out

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I know brother its cool but lets look at this problem and my experience... A customer rings YARA and says "tecnical please" so they get through to me and I send out for his plugs n I then run a soil analysis, if its all good then its airbourne i go out to do more checks. However when they have a problem and cba sending in plugs like advised i can't be arsed helping out anymore, you have to check soil by extraction its the only way to get accurate results!!!! And believe me this could be ph, rootbound, pythium, viral, fungus, cal, mag, soil fault at source, man it could be a lot of things but a soup soak extraction is needed here to move on to maximise this crop.

I almost guarantee if I did a proper plug test on that soil it is depleted of most micros except calcium, its higher than a ph of 7 and theres loads of salts locked in. Just cos you never ph an get no problems doesnt make it the same for everyone else does it... Peace Alien and we won't clash as 99% of the time you're probably right

1weedz4 said:

Thanks! I have been feeding them CalMag. Along with:

Soil:
Happy Frog & Ocean Forest mix (never mixed for flowering before but had to this time)

Nutrients:
Pure Blend
Sugaree Carbs
Pure Blend Pro
CalMag
Some SuperThrive beginning stages

PH 6.8-7.0
Runoff 6.4-6.5

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I think its a soilless mix so you should lower the ph to 6.3 on the dot. Anythig over 6.5 you might have problems. Oh ya check the ppm's of the runoff, I bet it's real high. Looks like salt build up.

Dr.Pecker said:

I think its a soilless mix so you should lower the ph to 6.3 on the dot. Anythig over 6.5 you might have problems. Oh ya check the ppm's of the runoff, I bet it's real high. Looks like salt build up.

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Am I missing something with this? Why do you think this is a soilless mix, isn't happy frog n ocean bollox mix a soil like? I'm not a soil nute follower and we don't see much fox farm product here and googling it i thought it were soil... but i don't know maybe its not?

^^ maybe it's not.

Dr Pecker lol... its all good clean fun man!

The whole;peat based mediums are soiless is just foolish. Peat based mediums should be treated as a soil grow. Which means cannabis plants will do just fine in the 6-7 range.

I did write a near masterpiece novel but it was deleted by accident so here's my final post... let me know how it pans out chap?

Its week 7 of flower on an 8 week strain let it run mate, keep doing what you're doing and go with the cal mag def advisory service because it'll be 3 week before you see any difference adding more cal-mag which is no good to you anyway.

Or you do the soil plug test as stated, 5 good spoons taken from all areas, soaked in DI water for 2 hours and using accurate calibrated tools take readings from this soup! Its all there on Cannas site for downloading http://www.canna-uk.com/infopapers

Once you have this 'accurate' information from your soil NOT THE RUN OFF you can learn a great deal more about whats happening, without it then comments like peat based mediums are soiless is just foolish blah blah blah are just as much nonsense as someone saying peat is soilless is foolish... I never read anywhere that peat is soilless? Pecker made a fucktiffiknow comment cos he was prob stoned whilst reading your shit man, he's no mug I enjoyed reading his water only organic green soil growing hippy growers journal thread! Far from foolish in my opinion...

Cl@rksville, you mention how you don't know anything about fox farm ocean forest, so why are you saying all this stuff about testing and adding ferts? Fox Farm's ocean forest and happy frog soils, which the grower says he's using, are both loaded with fert at the factory. What's going on with this grow is over fert, badly. I'd flush that potting soil with water until about one half gallon runs out the bottom, then wait and see if it survives. It might not, and certainly won't if people continue to say feed it this, feed it that. If you don't understand the soil and apparently have missed that the grower states they are giving even more fert, which is a mistake, then please avoid posting if you don't know the soil or what you're talking about with insistence that pH needs testing, blah, blah, blah. And while we're at it, what the hell does this mean -- "Fuck the oooh it ain't gonna look pretty jockstraps?" I've seen a lot of crap on web forums on how to grow this plant; a lot of misinformation, but this thread might take the gold star for stupidity and completely misleading a confused grower on what their problem is.
Oh yes, one thing... 1000 ppm is a hydroponic grow fert level. not soil. These soils probably came from the factory with at least that much in them, maybe more.

"And believe me this could be ph, rootbound, pythium, viral, fungus, cal, mag, soil fault at source, man it could be a lot of things but a soup soak extraction is needed here to move on to maximise this crop." Spoken like someone that has no clue. People are going to think I'm a real dick for this post, but it's time people stop the age-old b.s. on pH this, calcium that. In these good soils you don't have much to worry about. Entire grows can be had just on these soils alone, without adding anything else. Just because you can add ferts doesn't mean you should. Soup soak extraction, huh? More crazy lingo. Crazy, mate, seriously, stop it, you're hurting me....

polishpollack said:

Cl@rksville, you mention how you don't know anything about fox farm ocean forest, so why are you saying all this stuff about testing and adding ferts? Fox Farm's ocean forest and happy frog soils, which the grower says he's using, are both loaded with fert at the factory. What's going on with this grow is over fert, badly. I'd flush that potting soil with water until about one half gallon runs out the bottom, then wait and see if it survives. It might not, and certainly won't if people continue to say feed it this, feed it that. If you don't understand the soil and apparently have missed that the grower states they are giving even more fert, which is a mistake, then please avoid posting if you don't know the soil or what you're talking about with insistence that pH needs testing, blah, blah, blah. And while we're at it, what the hell does this mean -- "Fuck the oooh it ain't gonna look pretty jockstraps?" I've seen a lot of crap on web forums on how to grow this plant; a lot of misinformation, but this thread might take the gold star for stupidity and completely misleading a confused grower on what their problem is.

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Nah Bollocks man. You've got me all wrong mate, totally wrong, the man hasn't even been back with any proper figures yet! Let me tell you this... I aren't here to be liked or justify my education to you or anyone else my friend! I want to prove how much bollocks gets spoken on here by people giving shit solutions without qualifying the near proximate cause... pretty boys or jockstraps imo!

I am only advising a soil test using the method as described, anything else I have written is possible outcomes based on what that test result is... Never have I said just pump it full of nutes without any further work on the structure.... Come on not even my 4 year old is that stupid! Neither is the man growing it as he can read anywhere how to fix this, he asked what it is... how do you tell if this plant has a ******** ******* build up that you will struggle to flush away in any medium easily? *Tell me the missing words because I need advice please and I'm a farmer with 1245 acres of blueberries

True scenario...
I did a soil test at my pals last month who was saying just flush it man a good flush clarksville and it'll be right!!! Soil showed Ph 5.73 and an EC of 3.05 exactly, so we flushed and flushed and flushed in a bath tub with normal tapwater. Left it 3 days, fed it a nice light nutrient regime at 6.1 that was built back up towards week 7 of flower and it changed the plant completely. However the leaves started cupping and a few dark brown edges and leaf necrosis, it was soil test time again Ph 7 and EC 1.4 with a calcium build up.

But more importantly this 'long time grower' said how the fuck did I manage to fuck up to that extent twice and questioned his instruments, his knowledge, lighting and his feeding regime. I calibrated all his tools and binned some of his gear as it was inadequate for a grower imo. He is now doing coco so we will have other issues...

Regards the aint looking pretty brigade I was simply steaming at the regular "oh its cal mag comments...," its like sheep following the ram when its probably not that at all. I am saying do a proper soil test and if its repaired and she looks healthy we could feed her but its an 8 weeker I understand which kind of makes most of this an exercise? *Just so you know why I know my horticulture I did 5 years studying at university and worked for the largest crop management business in Europe for 18 years, also worked for YARA, Agrochem UK and even supplied Canna with nutrient advice before today, trust me I ain't a mug chap, far far from it my lad.

Alas its better to know why my car leaks oil on the drive not just topping it up with a leak sealer... Quick fixes are fine when you know what you're doing with a dialled in strain... attention to detail and a further dose of good advice can bring this crop round and know how it was achieved.

Don't try lecture me on ppm's kid or whats assumed to be in soil packed by some underpaid slaves who don't give a monkeys chuff about quality control! Have you ever actually studied horticulture and crop management at any level, I take that as a fucking no because anyone who has will read my advice and say yeah i'd go with that... and fucking soup testing isn't how much peppers in your mums carrot n aubergine blended 5 a day she makes you so sit back down yer silly boy

Thanks for the PM regarding that bit I did there ********* you are quite right well done and yes good idea...!

Anyone like a quiz while we wait to see if weedz is taking my advice and he's doing the soil test? I have the answer and the pictures of my step by step solution to the problem, don't worry its simple enough to diagnose....! I don't want a solution I want to know whats caused it and how do I find out, it looks like a deficiency to me?

Whats wrong here chaps, whole plant effected from top to base. Barneys Blue Cheese 7 weeks in veg 1 week approximately 2 weeks in flower here. Soil grow with H&G Bat Special 50% large perlite, hand watered canna terra vega at 400ppm and Ph 6.2. 3 x 1000w air cooled hoods covering 1.7m x 3.5m. Loads of air flow and recirculating back in through nexius coil filter due to Co2 being used at 1200ppm and temps dialled in at 33-34c calmag plus 1ml per litre and they are about 1m wide and 1.2m high... sorry for the shit light but its easy to see the problem regardless...

Lol its soil.

1weedz4 said:

Lol its soil.

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lol yeah we know... and unbelievably my old neighbour has 4 cheesel in a 1.2m soil scrog, same shit more or less exactly but I am going there now to check it out! Maybe take a few snaps and compare notes, he did the soil test 2 hours ago so I'm taking my tools down for a soil analysis teach in session, take him down a z of my bluejax he fucking loves it the polish pillack! Read that canna link its good info for you, trust me the guy who wrote that knows his shit fella!

Right this cats outta here and hopefully someone has let me know about that poor plant I put up as a brain teaser... something very fishy on this thread?