2Ton
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Keep them going until 3/4 hairs have gine amber!! Water is fine the more you flush the smoother the smoke anyways
Help! When to harvest!!??
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Dr. Who
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@Harryp1990
@2Ton
You see, the thing is, the whole "idea" of "flushing is nonsense! Plants don't work that way! They do not take up nutrients or salts as most of you think of them! They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.)
Now then, you propose the "FADE TO FINISH" method. Great idea in theory but, and this IS a BIG BUT! Remember when I said above that "the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers!" ? This shoots that theory in the ass right away. You see the main amount of stored nutrition is in either the roots and the rest in leaves and some in small amounts in transit in the phloam (the sap that actually moves the nutrients around the plant)......
Now when you "starve a plant" it will draw from it's self by actually breaking down the needed parts of it's self to do an "emergency" attempt to reproduce! (This can happen in certain plants even in veg! A kind of last ditch effort to continue the species.)
With that in mind you take the fact that the plant is not "moving" nutrients "out" of buds,but into them to speed growth and as fast as it can - "reproduce". This single minded process the plant now puts it's self on causes the plant to stress it's self. This self induced stress can, in many cases if done long enough, lead the plant to go bisexual, and produce "banana's" in a last ditch effort to reproduce and "carry on the line" and produce seeds...
Basically put, In reality you are moving nutrients that you're "attempting" to get rid of,,right to where your trying to remove them from! You are also stressing the plant in the way for "Herming" to actually happen easier!
I and many others that have tried to convey this actual plant science, are called everything you can think of and those 'impossible of understanding these facts", fight so hard against us that many of us have simply chosen to avoid the issue or don't fight to hard.
Anyway, there you are in as short and sweet and as simple/understandable as I can...
The thing is you have to understand Botany and Horticulture (and there are LOTS of subsections to those that are involved here) to truly put together the pieces of the puzzle to get your head wrapped around the idea that flushing and the "fade" don't work for what they are intended or alleged to actually do!
There you go Mods, nice, polite and to the point. (Sorry about the other thread Sunni)
There you go, Now have at it!
I'm stepping back to watch the circus.
Read this too!
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-truth-about-flushing.409622/
Not feeding for 2 weeks or 10 days. Your yield is smaller and quality took a hit. Hippie myth and stoner logic. Don't have you end up with the best results......Jorge Cervantes is full of both....
Dr. Who
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FLUSHING IS FOR TOILETS!Keep them going until 3/4 hairs have gine amber!! Water is fine the more you flush the smoother the smoke anyways
Roger A. Shrubber
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find one food crop, one textile crop, even tobacco, that is "flushed"....you can't, because no one else on the entire planet does it. 10th generation farmers who have never done anything but farm will tell you theres no point in doing it. there is a use for leeching, if the soil gets a toxic buildup of salts they need to be washed out of the soil. thats not flushing, it isn't meant to remove anything from a plant, because you CAN'T, its meant to remove toxic salts from soil. if you haven't been over feeding like a fiend, that shouldn't be an issue.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i do not have a link telling you how to flush. i doubt you'll find one on riu.....i hope you never find one, i hope you find some hard evidence that convinces you its a waste of time
Roger A. Shrubber
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FOUND ONE!!!!!
2Ton
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Hi bud
Nice right up btw! I am not nor do i claim to be a botanist... unstead i am a grower that grows for quality as i am quite simply a pot head lol
So if what you are sayin is correct why when you have 2 plants, 1 you have flushed and 1 that hasnt been flushed you can very evidently taste the difference?! The one that hasnt be flushed is harsh to smoke as a blunt where as the flushed one is smooth as you like?!
chemphlegm
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an agreed upon definition of "Flushing" would be helpful. drowning a plant is dumb, completely removing food is dumb
food resources are diminishing in nature as a season closes, my plants in buckets are too as plants are
maturing in my organic style grow.
I do the same outdoors too ..I dont feed my grapes to the end or else they suck. I never flush more water through my dirt, than it takes for my normal watering routine. when i loved on hydro my nutes were reduced at the end for a bit, then water only for a day.
If I feed my basil to the end its not tasty, like my tomatoes, sage, rosemary, as tasty , to me.
Now, If I was growing marijuana plants for photo ops....and wanted full bright green leaves to brag on
theyd be fed to the day of harvest, like tobacco is. If did that to my mj I'd have start this curing gig, like big tobacco does, just to be able to smoke comfortably. I dont know anyone personally that prefers their smoke to be degraded to older than a month and long curing isnt an option anyways for me
we all agree that doing what works best for you and yours is the best option for you and yours.
dont panic, grow organic!
food resources are diminishing in nature as a season closes, my plants in buckets are too as plants are
maturing in my organic style grow.
I do the same outdoors too ..I dont feed my grapes to the end or else they suck. I never flush more water through my dirt, than it takes for my normal watering routine. when i loved on hydro my nutes were reduced at the end for a bit, then water only for a day.
If I feed my basil to the end its not tasty, like my tomatoes, sage, rosemary, as tasty , to me.
Now, If I was growing marijuana plants for photo ops....and wanted full bright green leaves to brag on
theyd be fed to the day of harvest, like tobacco is. If did that to my mj I'd have start this curing gig, like big tobacco does, just to be able to smoke comfortably. I dont know anyone personally that prefers their smoke to be degraded to older than a month and long curing isnt an option anyways for me
we all agree that doing what works best for you and yours is the best option for you and yours.
dont panic, grow organic!
Roger A. Shrubber
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i've done exactly what you said, tried flushing one plant one not flushing an identical clone, and i couldn't tell any difference, and neither could anyone else i smoked it with. i think a lot of people go into it expecting the difference, so they "see" it, whether its there or not. if they did the same test blind, i wonder how many of them would be able to tell the difference?
Dr. Who
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There's the rub! You can't do a simple home side by side and expect real results from an uncontrolled test!
Some years ago, the advertising industry asked several major college's. Why when we do side by side testing. Does poeple find a difference in things. When the things we set in front of them are exactly the same?
This lead to some studies on this issue! They discovered (putting this basically) That when you give the brain a "task",,such as asking if you find a difference between 2 or more samples. The brain will! Even if those 2 or more things, are exactly the same!
This is called "Conformation Bias"....Once you get an idea in your head, you seek out only the evidence that supports your thought.
So, Your side by side will be not be viable. You set out some of each and already your mind knows it's looking to find a difference. SO IT WILL! That's actual science!
Proper dry and cure!
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2Ton
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Yes I see what your saying but I have experienced different results.... for me it means the difference of having a harsh taste at the back of my throat when smoking a blunt. It's why I flower with a checker board light system (2 x 1000w mh and 2 x 1000 hps) I also use the 10k finishing bulbs as well... but it's just the way I grow
2Ton
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I've never heard of this before.... it makes sense as well!!
One thing that made me look at flushing years ago was why the likes of canna would spend $$$$$ on developing a flushing agent to use with there ferts in the first place if there was not need and they were safe to smoke etc ... following this and a load of research it was the general consensus that a water flush was the best way to go ... then came my test etc ... so of what u say is true why did canna and many other companies make a flushing product?
Dr. Who
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WHY? FOR MORE PROFIT!
I don't care WHAT nutrient company you quote.....Their JOB is to make MONEY!
I spoke to the editor of HT a cpl a years back, when he was involved in the "legalize" movement in my state. I asked him why Danny Danko still spews the "flush" line in his by-line grow piece. He said, "We rely on advertising to make money - not so much with circulation. That's a constant.. If Dan back peddled and spoke the science. We would loose a lot of pissed off Nutrient makers as advertisers!" Jorge Cervantes. Has for years pushed the flush. Now how many would take him serious, and still buy his books,,if he turned around and said, "All these years I was wrong. You don't have to flush!" ??
Whats the reason? MONEY! They don't care about you! They want your MONEY!
"I" don't want anything from you!
I'm simply telling the truth!
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I know i won't find one, I've looked. I've asked for non cannabis flushing links a few times in these kind of threads and still haven't seen one pertaining to taste or harshness. I'm not a believer of the flush. There are legit reasons to flush or leach, but the color of ash isn't one of them.
My first few grows I bought in to flushing thing, then i read about mobile vs immobile nutrients. That's when i started thinking flushing was bs. It doesn't matter how much water you run threw the soil most of the nutes in a plant aren't moving. Starving plants doesn't move them either, the plant may use up mobile nutes so you'll see the oldest leaves yellow from the bottom up moving nutes to new growth. Immobile nutes because they can't be translocated from older growth show deficiencies in new growth, and whats the last or newest part of the plant we want to grow?
Then you have the organic vs synthetic debate. The plant doesn't give a shit it's all the same. The difference is availability one has to be broken down and the other is immediately available. One source is faster the other much better for the environment. Salts can build up in soil but it cannot be absorbed threw plant cell membranes. Salt build up can certainly cause problems, but water/feed/water, get some run off, leave the 35 additives in the hydro store, the alien anal secretions for monster buds and whatever else they try to sell learn to dry and cure and your buds will be top notch.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i didn't tell any of the people i was smoking with that there was any difference, i knew, but they didn't, and not a single one of them said anything about the second bowl tasting or smoking different than the first one
jswett1100
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Sweet colors coming from that bud man 
50-70% amber is where i like to pull the triger its all about how you like your smoke. heady or nah
50-70% amber is where i like to pull the triger its all about how you like your smoke. heady or nah
indicoxy12
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I'm a new grower I started with advanced nutrients and every grow that I grew nute burn or no nute burn harsh smoke regardless I think personally it's the nutes and or improper dry/cure method
chemphlegm
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hmmm, anyone else try this on tomatoes? basil?
why is fertilized to the end tobacco so much more harsh than tobacco not fertilized to the end?
the fertilized tobacco was greener, not bigger, and not better tasting, until a long cure. this would be my most accurate comparison, because its smoked, and its where marijuana users scored the whole "curing" bit.
MI laws make "curing" marijuana near impossible(for me) for uninterrupted patient supply.
for the money I'd think nutrient producers instead of tapering flowering nutes toward the end of flowering cycle
would ramp them up, sell more to users, and let them get better healthier tastier results too ?
why is fertilized to the end tobacco so much more harsh than tobacco not fertilized to the end?
the fertilized tobacco was greener, not bigger, and not better tasting, until a long cure. this would be my most accurate comparison, because its smoked, and its where marijuana users scored the whole "curing" bit.
MI laws make "curing" marijuana near impossible(for me) for uninterrupted patient supply.
for the money I'd think nutrient producers instead of tapering flowering nutes toward the end of flowering cycle
would ramp them up, sell more to users, and let them get better healthier tastier results too ?
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indicoxy12
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I'm glad I read this about the fade method I'm mostly cloudy lil clear and no amber it's been 4 days since the last feeding i was Gon let it dry out for 7-8 days before harvesting but I'll rather go straight to the chop thanks for this posting you guys really got through to me I mean it's really common sense I wonder why my dumbass ain't consider it for one second here's my analogy MoMA said if you put hot sauce on chitterlings to kill the shitty taste you just end up with hot sauce and a shitty taste LOL