HELP!!White gel on roots?

i used vinegar to drop my ph since my ph down ran out. This is definitely what caused it. Unfortunately 2 fan leaves got so yellow and burnt that i had to pull them. hope fully the plant puts its energy into the buds and the rest of the leaves instead of trying to heal that shit.

This guy is a fucking genius, noone has gave me any good info yet on this shit cept him, thanx really, for taking your time to help others dude!

i used vinegar to drop my ph since my ph down ran out.

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I hear this somewhat often form ppl with slime problems. Vinegar/lemon juice/baking soda is a no-no in a DWC as well as any organic based PH adjuster. The substances themselves aren't a problem but they do amount to organic material in your res, which normally leads to slime. (especially if the vinegar has had a chance to turn to mother of vinegar) The good news is people who get it from vinegar can normally get rid of it easier if it's not allowed to grow and spread.

+ rep big H for the bugs name. I looked all over I thot and could not find it. I am a few months at it here and there. I got it in four buclets that had clones from the same cloner. I kept the plants however and got rid of it now for a few weeks. I changed the nutes and water out and used h202. It is clean. The only thing else I might have done it get some serenade into the res buckets as a unscientific but fun idea. But it was hust a spray and I think it missed one bucket. I recently had to toss a clone batch and am sterilizing the cloner. I think superthrve in there makes me nervours. As I ran fine then maybe this product aggravated it. I have to read and learn more. It is still gone a day later tho after using hot water bleach and h202 to clean everything.


edit: a few roots I pulled off with my hands. Most clones had enough clean ones to make it easier. One was only a one root affair but it revcovered and it looks fine.

Thanks tea tree. People who have had issues with bubble cloners sometimes find that changing the water every 12-24 hours helps a lot. I have also seen other people stating that superthrive caused issues in their cloner. I don't think the product itself is to blame. I think that some situations are just different than others. I switched to rockwool myself which is simple enough, but I miss my bubbler.

Good luck

not to worry anyone but I looked up cyanobacteria and I got a link to the cdc. center for disease control. lol. This stuf they talk about is a deadly posion and if it is the same shit then we all better head to the er. no known cure for some of the posions these bacteria can create. dont eat or drink and wash off right away. kids and animals especially at risk. pretty risky to be a bad grower these days.

I am taking that with a grain of salt. There are like a 1000 diferent varieties on that page alone.

I think the fact that this stuff is allowed to get through our water supply is evidence that it's pretty harmless to humans. Otherwise public health would demand it get filtered out. It seems to be the same type that aquarium owners sometimes deal with, which is indeed non-pathogenic. It also doesn't seem to be systematicaly infecting the plants, since cuttings taken from an afflicted plant will grow strong healthy roots.

In a DWC, we provide an environment which discourages many forms of microbes by depriving the water of light and keeping it well oxygenated. Add in organic material, and you have the perfect home for this stuff to live, empty and ready for it to move in.

It has always been assumed that blue-green algae relied for the most part, if not completely, on photosynthesis for growth and reproduction. This may have been the case up to a few years ago but recent findings have demonstrated that Cyanobacteria do not rely solely on CO2 fixation but can and will thrive in environments that are rich in organic matter.

Most saltwater cyanos rely on either organic foodstuff uptake and/or on photosynthesis (and are called Facultatively Photoheterotrophs), and will uptake organic food and substances if they are available.

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Info taken from http://www.livingreefs.com/cyanobacteria-and-red-slime-algae-t390.html

hence rooting gel and poweder and superthrive being bad for me. while plain water I got roots in five days max.

A little update,

Someone is reporting trying Watermax from Bob's Brew in a slime prone bubble cloner. So far the results seem to be the it does indeed keep the slime away, but at the same time seems to slow or stop root production. It may be okay for older plants with a good root system, but since slimed ppl obviously don't have healthy roots, this seems to be another product that failed in this area.

I can now say from experience what I was reguritating in my recent posts on this subject. The EWC (ancient forest) tea fortified with aquashield and ZHO powder has eliminated the slime in my DWC and seems to be a super stimulant for my roots. They are growing fast, thick and staying very white. I should note that even with the EWC tea I was not able to purge the slime from the buckets that were already infected. It does seem to work perfectly at preventing it in a clean system. In the past my plants would have already been afflicted by now, despite a rainbow of sterilizing products and precautions.

FWIW the clear snot may not be a problem. I'm running Mayan Microzyme in my system right now and one of the organisms in the mix is Nostoc, a cyanobacteria that forms jelly like colonies on submerged roots. This strain is a nitrogen fixer and not pathogenic to the plant. If you went from soil to hydro you likely had some symbiotic bacteria from the soil growing out. I think there are a lot of people out that that are using products like MMZ or mycorrizhal innoculants incorrectly. I've seen people dump out their aerated brew because of it swelling a bottle, the smell/color, etc... what do you expect from a culture cocktail? The hired guns in the MMZ turned my res into a brewery, but it's a very unfriendly environment for the sparse pathogens that mistakenly find themselves in my res.

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This guy is a fucking genius, noone has gave me any good info yet on this shit cept him, thanx really, for taking your time to help others dude!

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Wonder when you are going to post a helpfull tip instead of leaching off the ones that know?

I am dumping cloner res and doing this and getting some roots and losing them do to weekens with noticable slime and even some odd bubbling these days. I see some bumps and some gel it seems thru out. I am confused and pissed I am losing so much time on this. I only need four. Lol. Patience is a dream here. The most irratating subject there is. I am thinking that they may not be so bad, the bacteria, but they are not the healthiest. When no gel I see faster roots. When I use one plant I see no gel. Thro in some of this other plant i get gel that day. I even got a pur filter to get rid of lots of creatures. I think it gets in a plant somehow. My water purity tests are not the best.

no problems here except for the Ph shifts. I stopped trying to fight water temp problems and have learned two things that work for me to prevent root rot. One is to use only non-organic based hydro nutrients and other thing is do not break any roots, especially during transplant from my mini dwc veg tub. Roots can get tangled and some cutting is required. Dead roots equals the possible starting point of Pythium then all hell break loose with your roots reguardless of water temps. I've had no problems with high water temps since I stopped using Florolicious+ and some other organics based supplements. I use GH Lucus style W/ liquid koolbloom then powder, cal-mag, silica blast, diamond nector.

Thats why beneficial microbes are essential, they eat organic matter, like dead roots or broken root material, before slime can form.

im using aero cloner 120 site and i have white slime on every single clone, can they still root or should i dump everything and start over after cleaning everything?

Never used an aero. In my bubble cloner, if the tips get slime that's the end of it. Best to sterilize and start over. What helped a lot for me was to change the water every 48 hours, even if I was using beneficials.

Hey Heisenberg, love your principle. Good info on this topic.

Ive had a horrible time cloning lately. Ive been growing my whole life and excepting cloning as of late, am able to grow superb medicine.

After completely eliminating all other input issues as I now have a positive pressure sterile clean room, I have concluded that the disease is on the mom plants themselves. When I take the clone, the disease is transferred and eventually kills the clone before it can fully take root. H2O2 takes care of the Pythium but other rot diseases gets it from the top down now. The clones that do root, grow out of the issues and excel because of quality conditions and attention with rarely a spot of disease into the end of flowering.

I would consider eliminating the genetics but its an original Cindy99 and the perfect pheno for me and my conditions.

Do you or anyone else have any suggesting on how to eliminate mom to clone disease transfer?

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Hey Heisenberg, love your principle. Good info on this topic.

Ive had a horrible time cloning lately. Ive been growing my whole life and excepting cloning as of late, am able to grow superb medicine.

After completely eliminating all other input issues as I now have a positive pressure sterile clean room, I have concluded that the disease is on the mom plants themselves. When I take the clone, the disease is transferred and eventually kills the clone before it can fully take root. H2O2 takes care of the Pythium but other rot diseases gets it from the top down now. The clones that do root, grow out of the issues and excel because of quality conditions and attention with rarely a spot of disease into the end of flowering.

I would consider eliminating the genetics but its an original Cindy99 and the perfect pheno for me and my conditions.

Do you or anyone else have any suggesting on how to eliminate mom to clone disease transfer?

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I don't have any solid advice, just speculation.

When you say they are killed from the top down, do you mean from mold? The microbe tea can be applied as a foliar spray, which several people have tried with great results. Trichoderma fungi have been shown to be effective on foliage similar to the way it is on roots, to a lesser extent. There are even people who claim the tea spray will discourage mites from setting up a home. Alternatively you could try physan 20; a sterilizing agent. It kills everything and can be used as a foliar spray. People also use it with success in bubble cloners.

That's really all the ideas I have. I don't believe the brown slime algae infects the plants systematically, but i've read that pythium will if allowed to advance far enough. I've never seen any suggestions for getting rid of it other than to kill off the plant.

'Two hands working can accomplish more than a thousand clasped in prayer' Im sure we would have alotta fun hangin out...

By top down, I mean that the stem and underside doesnt get soft from Phthium or other slimies, the PM comes from out of no where and just doesnt stop. This stops photosynthesis and zaps the energy and the clone never makes enough energy to make roots... the tender new leaves of the clone starts cat claw curling in about 48hrs and by 4-5days, would be completely engulfed in PM if i didnt constantly put on something like milk or serenade or h2o2 or KCO3 or ... any other type of topical listed in the annals of grow text every ~ 24 hours as the PM just doesnt stop. The ezcloner nylons get it... infact you can see where the leaf is touching, PM breaks out in about 36hrs on the nylon. Its maddening because the mom plants are growing like crazy with no obvious signs of PM and clones are taken and grown in ideal, sterile conditions.

My next round, im going to try to dip them after cutting in a mild bleach solution for a few seconds.

I am also building a sealed 'sulfur vapo closet' that i will put all veg plants into every few nights. I hear this can eliminate the issue with enough diligence but its hard to build an air tight sealed sulfur smell room in a city house and am going to it as a desperate, last move. Its toxic, its flammable and who wants nasty rotten egg smell.

Those dont work, im gonna try some heavy duty chem's like Nova, Quintec, Flint, Sovran, Pristine and keep going down the list until i either i fix the problem, go broke or give up.

This is not your grandfathers powdery mildew, this is like something from outterspace. Anyhow, thanks for the comments. Its so dam frustrating, i would pull out my hair if I had any left!