Help with 100'x50' Cob Led Light setup

sixstring2112 said:

Who lost money here? Lol your getting increasingly pathetic with all these posts in multiple threads

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As I have said before, you are free to believe in whatever you want.

Lots of people have lost money trying to get into commercial operations. It is very sad to hear of folks losing their life savings after they invest and get scammed by a shady light vendor.

PhotonFUD said:

As I have said before, you are free to believe in whatever you want.

Lots of people have lost money trying to get into commercial operations. It is very sad to hear of folks losing their life savings after they invest and get scammed by a shady light vendor.

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dude stop trolling the thread. seriously you're an idiot every post proves our point furthur.

camdengolf said:

dude stop trolling the thread. seriously you're an idiot every post proves our point furthur.

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Ah so you are just baiting with this thread and not really serious.

Feel free to lose your monopoly money. At least you won't feel so bad.

No I am not like you. I dont get off trolling

PhotonFUD said:

Ah so you are just baiting with this thread and not really serious.

Feel free to lose your monopoly money. At least you won't feel so bad.

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Expectations feed into design considerations to produce an efficient process and lighting is just a factor of that process. It's difficult to give reasonable estimates based on 2/3 of a 100x50' room unless that's actually the amount of space you intend to flower. If you had a yield goal in mind or an electrical limit to consider, that information could be used as a starting point for a design that will suggest the grow area necessary and what will be needed to get it lit.

ya I agree. I am going to mainline the plants for 32 heads and grow organically. I will be growing for just colas no lower buds. Want to maximize quality mainly.

Here are two links to instagram accounts.

https://www.instagram.com/raredank/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/jungleboyz/

The second was mentioned already. It is Jungle Boyz. Of the 2 I think the first one is the better set up.

Look threw there postings for Jungle Boyz and you can see that they have fixed tables and walk ways. This is a waste of space and was corrected in the Rare Dankness room with Botanicares moving flood tables. You can also see that Jungle Boyz have piping on the floor. That is a trip hazard and unsafe.

Still quite a bit of info can be found on Jungle Boyz postings.

When looking for lights here are a few things to consider.

Are they safe to use? By this I mean do they have exposed wiring that could catch on some thing and be pulled out. This could cause the light to be damaged by falling.

If they are poorly made will you be able to get insurance on the grow operation.

Is there any exposed wiring connections. These could get some one electrocuted when spraying for pest, molds or cleaning. Or just by accident if you touch that spot. So a cover of some kind over the cob and holder should be considered. Yes it may cut down the light some but better to be alive. Also a cover may help with insurance.

Next I would look at durability of the fixture. As much as people like to cool their lights with fans passive cooling would be a better option in a large grow with many lights. Or decide how often you want to check all those cooling fans so you dont cook your cobs when a fan fails.

Also how much money do you want to pay for upkeep on the fixture? Mogal and Double ended fixture will need bulb replacements more often.

There are many more things like this that you need to consider about other things as well as the lights. Get some good help it will pay for itself in the set up.

Might I also suggest you set up a breeding area as well. If you will be mainlining from seed a breeding room will save you quite a bit a money. I know Rare Dankness has one.

Yes so I totally noticed the same problems with the jungleboys. Those tables are fixed and immovable. Could and needs to be done better I agree.

So I think with the help of sixstring it would be wise for me to have 3-4 flower rooms and 1 for veg in the space alotted. That way I am trimming smaller amounts more often and easier to handle. I am going to change the dimensions of the building so it will be fit for movable planters.

camdengolf said:

So I think with the help of sixstring it would be wise for me to have 3-4 flower rooms and 1 for veg in the space alotted. That way I am trimming smaller amounts more often and easier to handle. I am going to change the dimensions of the building so it will be fit for movable planters.

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Multiple rooms have many other pros as well.

One is pest management. If you see a problem you may be able to treat just one room. Or you may only loose part of the crop.

Another is that you dont have to cool the entire grow at once. Because all your lights dont have to be on at once you can get away with less heating or cooling. Since plant tend to give off humidity at night and light burn humidity off during the day cycle you wont as much dehumidification or foggers to increase it.

I strongly recommend multiple rooms for this reason. On that sixstring is right on.

I don't think it matters what sub-activity you perform, vegging, blooming, mothering, cloning, you will need overall light, air, and water. The questions become what type of grow method, determines both air and water. Light makes no never mind. You will need adequate air to remove heat and and water, depending on your growing techniques, hydroponics, soil, coco, etc. Water needs will be determined on the same criteria, again. After all that you still need HVAC and Humidification/DeHumidification equipment, and finally you can then determine your power needs. That would be the order of priories to determine final costs. If you are going commercial you will need permitting, and inspections, as well as routine inspections during operations, which needs to be considered during design of the facility. You have a basic lighting cost, now you need to determine the rest so you can determine your other costs. Plenty of already's out there to copy from that is easy, understanding why they do what tey do is a whole different story. good luck. You can estimate HVAC and power costs based on SF but that will be a general number and not specific for your style. peace

Thank you for your advice. I agree with everything. I just knew that lighting would probably be one of my biggest upfront costs so that is why I wanted to tackle that idea so now I have an idea of electricity needs and such. So in each flower room and veg and breeding room I will have mitsubishi ac's and exactly like you were saying Vegas, lights on at different times to create less need for mass cooling at once and such.
So my facility will obviously be about commercial size compared to what other homegrowers are doing, but would what Im planning be considered commercial actually? and need the required inspections and such? Im not talking about me having people come in and triple check everything to make sure it is up to code and regulations required stuff like that.

Thank you all so much for the continued advice. So I am for sure set on going all potting mix grow using my soil recipe developed by Cornell, but with organic fertz and amendments. Organic is what I want. So I was thinking about having large containers filled with soil shaped rectangular, 4' wide and 8- ft long. Mainlining the plants to grow outwards into the spacing in between these moving planters. This is where some help will come in just to double check im right. So the rows in between planters for work space would need to be at least as wide as the movable planters so I could pull them out from a row sideways and then move them from room to room. they would be set up in a long row with the 4' sides touching. So im basically trying to just hammer down the dimensions so i will know what sized moving planters I can fit. I figure someone more experienced than me with indoor growing would maybe have an ideal sized room that would space out real nice and make the most of the space.

PhotonFUD said:

As I have said before, you are free to believe in whatever you want.

Lots of people have lost money trying to get into commercial operations. It is very sad to hear of folks losing their life savings after they invest and get scammed by a shady light vendor.

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camdengolf said:

dude stop trolling the thread. seriously you're an idiot every post proves our point furthur.

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While I do not agree with many of FUD's posts, I agree with this. I have seen MANY commercial operations never get off the ground only to have millions dumped into them. I know of one that did 1 grow then had major issues and it took damn near a year to get a 2nd crop out after hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I know of another facility that was supposed to be running in May and is still having issues. It may be sold to a new owner soon enough it is so bad. When you expect to have stuff running in May and crops as soon as Sept. ready for harvest, that is a killer (especially considering this facility is 2 buildings with roughly 250'x80' each of FLOWERING space).

If you are looking to do a grow this size, I would highly suggest that you look into having a licensed electrician do the work for you. That said, here are a few tips after seeing many of these commercial facilities built/in action.

Multiple rooms! Do NOT utilize 1 large flowering space. While this will incur more cost, it can save you money in the long run. I know you mentioned running at different times to save on cooling possibly, but that is not realistic. And depending upon where you live, electricity can have an up charge during peak usage hours negating the savings.

Be sure you have working space! This is HUGE! You will need to defoliate and tend to the plants no matter your setup. I have seen COMMERCIAL facilities pack so much in that they cannot access and lose part of their crop.

Dehumidifiers!!! You will need dehu units so keep that in mind. With a 100'x50' area, you will want everything done remotely so do not cheap out on cheap AC units/dehus. You want to be able to control them from 1 central (or multiple) controllers (like 1 for each room, or whatever you choose).

Pulley systems for your lights! You want to be able to move them up and down. Pulley system is the easiest way and will save you a lot of headache.

If you are doing this unlicensed and under the radar, i wouldnt worry about inspections. That said, I would find a quality electrician still to hook things up. Dont worry, plenty of them have their own things going on and can be trusted

KEEP THE SMELL DOWN!!! You dont want people smelling what you have going. Invest in the proper filtration. Seal your rooms and be sure you have a 2 door system access. Enter one door, close behind you, enter another. Have a scrubber in between the 2. It is costly and many overlook this, but its worth it.

Personally, if you do not have the knowledge or skill set to build all these lights yourself, I would just go with some Gavita's. Fairly efficient and much more cost effective. To have a builder build you 50%+ efficient cob lighting is going to cost a fortune, especially at some of the prices these guys charge. If you arent getting at least 50% efficiency from your cobs (I would say that 55%+ to be a better number honestly), then I would not invest in them over the DE Gavita setup for something this size (at least not yet).

was able to find some badass benches on wheels for holding the growing containers. they are 4x8' so perfect.

camdengolf said:

Thank you for your advice. I agree with everything. I just knew that lighting would probably be one of my biggest upfront costs so that is why I wanted to tackle that idea so now I have an idea of electricity needs and such. So in each flower room and veg and breeding room I will have mitsubishi ac's and exactly like you were saying Vegas, lights on at different times to create less need for mass cooling at once and such.
So my facility will obviously be about commercial size compared to what other homegrowers are doing, but would what Im planning be considered commercial actually? and need the required inspections and such? Im not talking about me having people come in and triple check everything to make sure it is up to code and regulations required stuff like that.

Thank you all so much for the continued advice. So I am for sure set on going all potting mix grow using my soil recipe developed by Cornell, but with organic fertz and amendments. Organic is what I want. So I was thinking about having large containers filled with soil shaped rectangular, 4' wide and 8- ft long. Mainlining the plants to grow outwards into the spacing in between these moving planters. This is where some help will come in just to double check im right. So the rows in between planters for work space would need to be at least as wide as the movable planters so I could pull them out from a row sideways and then move them from room to room. they would be set up in a long row with the 4' sides touching. So im basically trying to just hammer down the dimensions so i will know what sized moving planters I can fit. I figure someone more experienced than me with indoor growing would maybe have an ideal sized room that would space out real nice and make the most of the space.

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have you considered pots like Soma does. he makes them on wheels and you can google the rest. His book is hard to get, my copy is in storage, but I have it memorized. Soma does organic like you describe. I studied Soma in detail. Hs pots are 4x4 bins made of wood and wheels. He leaves the bottom vacant for air for the roots. excellent idea. I do aeroponics so I am on my own . looks like you are going. You only need permits if your local municipality requires them. You can look online for your local requirements. peace and good luck.

Yes now I am toying with the idea of pots, because then i can control nutrients given to each plant, and it would be much cheaper to just have pots and then I can always move one plant if I need to for canopy reasons or whatever. Just gives me more flexibility and also makes re-amending soil easier to handle.

I like the idea of pots. I had something go threw my plants killing them and it was in the pots. A fungus or something not sure what it was. I had been reusing my coco for several years at that point with no issues. Well I lost $7200 in electric before I figured that out. Pulled the pots and used new coco and the problem was gone.

That would spread fast in one large bed and be harder to get rid off should you need to. Just like seperate flower rooms will help you prevent the loss of a entire crop pots are the same way. Another thing to think about is if you use a recirculating system. That will move things around pretty quick also so a drain to waste may be better.

ya Taking care of a whole bed would be a mess ha. And ya I was planning drain to waste.

Check out Fluence Bioengineering I have the SPYDERx Plus awesome light. They cost some $$ but you get discounts with larger quantities.