Help with canna base nutes an ec

bunnyface

Well-Known Member
Hey,
yes take the cal mag into consideration. Is it Cal-Mag, or the cal-mag plus? As in Botaincares?
As their is normally iron in a Ca Mg supplement.

if your using RO water then yes it will be useful. Sounds like you have the dosing right though as that what my ca and mg supps do, at half the recommended dosage.
 

Sneakysneaky

New Member
Damm I've dosed at the rate on the bk of the bottle. I checked a while ago and it is actually .2.2 :-{ so looks like I've gotta drain off and dialute. Can the ladies really get blocked from to high ec?? I can't understand that when in soil I follow the back of the bottles and have no problem but now in rdwc using the truncheon it seems I have to be on top of every ec change. I love it but it's really doing my stoned brain in
 

Sneakysneaky

New Member
And what nute do I lower to accommodate for the calmag surely if I lower one to compensate for it there going to do without something they needed or could do better with
 

Sneakysneaky

New Member
I have also sussed that the boost really doesn't effect ec. Not bothering with pk for a while but the aqua a/b the cannazyme throw it right back up there then add the calmag and I'm through the roof and that's running all the base nutes at less than half strength
 

bunnyface

Well-Known Member
Hey,
yeah well it depends on the manufacture of the nutes, hell even each batch may need a small adjustment to the amount/dosage.


When i say im using half dose, thats simply as i havnt had to add at full strength. (The Ca Mg supp), so if i dont have to then why waste twice the amount, of you get me. Some will have to use it at full strength. And some don't need it at all,


If your looking for more reading try the Canna Talk mag/website. I really only look at the Q and A section, but it has loads of questions that have been asked and is worth a look. I mention it as in there they talk about the boost having no EC, and being a true booster, blah blah,


are you following the Canna schedule? Just as that may help you to compare dosages to ec. So if they say 25ml a and b with 25 ml cannazym, should have an ec of say 1.1 and you mix up a batch and your ec is way off, you can adjust from there.
just type in your parameters and away you go.... Kinda.
http://www.canna-uk.com/growguide


The cal mag is for a deficiency yeah, then you could always not include it in the res, and foliar feed/spray the plant if you having trouble.
Im using a Ca and Mg supp as i blessed with below 0.1 ec tap water. And am in coco. And soil. But i always get a Mg deficiency , sorry i wont go on about why i use it, but what i trying to get to is you should use it to get to 0.2 ec max, not by what the bottle says. As i said though, if its for a def. then you can foliar feed.


you asked if the plant would get blocked with high or higher ec's. Well there a few thing that could happen. When the plant is given the new feed/water and the ec is to high, the water in the plant is alot greater than the feed/water solution just given. This can draw the water outta the plant through osmosis. Causing issues....(logically you do this in reverse when in soil)
In soil the same can happen, but lots of things make it work differently to hydro of course.


other issues with high ec's, well i have found, is when mixing, if done quickly, can cause elements to precipitate out of solution. (Small white blobs form. I found this when i added Cal max (its Grotek's Ca Mg Fe supp) to my mix first,then my base. So i switched it round and it still did it. Dropped the Cal Max to half dose and added second and no issues. Same happened with the Cal max and Cannazym,,..? Could get my head round that... Anyway)


Not only can the high ec cause that sort of problem. When in solution, and being used , the ratios of whats in solution change, affecting EC and pH,as well as water volume. So say for example you are using alot, or too much Ca for example, when the plant isnt using that much, each 'drink' takes in some of everything, but only a little Ca. This would then leave all this Ca let over, blocking uptake of other elements , such as K, Mg, Mn, B.
Other elements that are in excess will block others etc.

Sorry if that sounds abit 'you dont know so let me tell you.' I dont mean it to be. And i just dont know how much detail to go into.


im sorry if this is long winded or isnt very specific, but im quite high and cant remember all of the details on biology and such. You can look it up to get alot more info than i could ever give.


Hopefully these bumps will get someone else to chime in with more exp than me.


Try get a pic up, that normally get attention.


take it easy
 

Sneakysneaky

New Member
That's brilliant nice one bunny face. I'm just trying to get the best out if them like everyone else but like I said before trying to Susa this ec is a head f#uck. They are doing really well I think apart from the mag deficiency. I am using the on line canna chart but think where in using canna and another manufacture it seems the ec strays right off cannas chart. I've gotta work out how to put pics on using the phone


Peace
 

bunnyface

Well-Known Member
Ha yeah, glad to here it.

As said if its just a Mg def then you can always leave it outta the res and foliar feed it.

Yeah i have tried an failed with phone upload. Theres a few threads in the surrport sub forum.

Take it easy and good luck.
 

Sneakysneaky

New Member
I've never really understood foliar feeding. I learnt my lesson once by doing it with the lights on... Oops.. Do I just spray the recommended doesages when the lights turn off??
 

bunnyface

Well-Known Member
Hey,

well there are a few ways to do it. Personally i would spray just as lights come on, with the light raised for the moring or for the whole day.
I too have found out the hard way, that spraying during the day can be a bad idea.

These links will give you all the info you would need, and saves me typing it all out again.

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/10149-how-foliar-feed.html

https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/296685-lost-art-foliar-feeding.html

this one is maybe not as useful but shows how some people dont like to foliar.

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/524549-foliar-feeding-i-call-bullshit.html


And this is more a discussion on the subject.

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/361968-anyone-understand-foliar-feeding-well.html

my top tip would be use a surfactant, either a bought one or at least two drops of liquid dish soap. Just to help break the water tension.

Best o luck.
 
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