(Help with Grow Room) - Money isn't an issue, need advice!

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thcmanwithaplan

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My friend is starting a legal grow and needs some input on the equipment he'll be using and things he needs to use. **((Money isn't an issue, so please refer the best products and methods possible.))**

He plans on getting 700w LED's from http://www.prosourceworldwide.com/product-p/illuminator superpro hybrid.htm - He's done a little research on LED lighting but is open to suggestion from everyone but they must be LED lights. Even if he must purchase more LED's to obtain the same coverage as HPS it must be done.

He'll be getting a total of 3 700w LED's. 1 for the Veg room, 2 for the Flowering room. All of the lights will be on a 6 foot light mover's. How many plants can fit under these lights and still achieve optimum potency? He's not trying to settle for quality but he want's to be useful with his space. The size of the room will be made according to how ever many plants will fit under those lights, so whoever can give an accurate opinion please speak up, my friend needs the help.

He already has the In-take and Out-take covered, but he needs a fully automated system so he can use a CO2 in conjunction. If anyone has any recommendations please feel free to leave input.

He is growing Hydro with RDWC System. Hopefully with the help of some crafty members he'll get an estimate on how many plants he should grow into the system. Based on how many plants will optimally grow under a single 700w LED on a 6ft Light mover for the veg room, and two 700w LED's on light movers for the flowering room.

In this hydro setup he'll be installing two 1/10 HP Water Chillers from Ecoplus to keep both Flowering and Veg reservoirs at proper temperatures.

Is there some type of filter he could use with this system to keep the bacteria to a minimal since he'll be using RDWC?

For plants he'll be getting Wonder Woman and Venus Flytrap from Nirvana, does anyone have any experience growing these?

Thanks for anything helpful anyone is able to add, it is much appreciated!
 
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chasmtz

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research the LED's a bit more in my humble opinion. I think those are 1w lights and will get very little to no penetration. I think THIS is more bang for your buck personally. Also, people in the LED threads go on and on about this maker. Also, consider THESE, another that people talk about a lot, they are comparable in my opinion. If i had your budget I would get the second option i listed. Just my opinion here and I have zero experience with LED's. HOWEVER, I have been home on disability for 3 months doing nothing but research on almost every aspect of horticulture that one can think of!
 
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thcmanwithaplan

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Why is everyone so against LED is it really that bad of a method? I'm not trying to be defensive I would just like to know more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxPvN9ke2Xg

This seems to be a decent sized grow, the plants look pretty decent in my opinion.

I don't see why if you have enough light coverage and do SOG that you can't get a decent grow with half the power consumption. Please someone explain more for me, I just want to understand why. I really appreciate all the helpful advice!
 
Xcon

Xcon

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It's a matter of preference. For me, there are enough people who aren't satisfied with led only grows, combined with the price to make it a very risky investment. How you choose to proceed depends on you... your situation, your research, your budget, your growspace, your target yield.

Just look at what the pros are doing. People who have large budgets and large growrooms aren't filling them with LEDs, they're filling them with 1kw HPS. If leds were better than HPS, more people would be using them.
 
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Distiller

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I would go with what's proven. If you look at it from a risk vs reward standpoint, I would recommend NOT getting led's. I watched that youtube video, and I have to admit I was impressed. That is a state of the art grow for sure, but what I DIDN'T see was a significantly better harvest, enough utility savings, or ease of use to justify outfitting a grow with led's. Nothing in that video in terms of harvest couldn't be achieved with standard HID lighting that has a track record going back 20 years.

LED's may be in my future, but I'm going to wait for the professional growers like the one in that video you cited to figure out the formula to do it.
 
hoss12781

hoss12781

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My thoughts on LEDS - Advance is a good company I personally use Hydroponics Hut Pro Grows and Grow LED Hydro. They work very well. In terms of you 700w unit, I'm of the opinion having more smaller wattage units (180-260w) is better as it gives you a more modular set up. Loads of people love to shit on LEDs on this site. Check the journal in my signature to see what I'm doing with mine. Also 3w chipsets will give you better penetration. Make sure whatever company you buy from has a solid warranty (at least 3 years), and uses CREE, Epistar, Bridgelux, or Orsam diodes (ask for a spec sheet to make sure they really use them and don't just say they use them). I spent about a grand on 690w of actual led output - most companies advertise the total chipset capacity of the light when diodes are typically driven to about approx 4/5 the actual capacity to ensure a long life. I used to use 2 400w air cooled hps lights along with CFL side lighting. Am very happy with my investment thus far.
 
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stumps

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My buddy loves the led. says they are doing great. so I ask him why he's got 1000w hps for side lights. once you get enough led's to have enough light you'll be into the lights for about 10k. Me I'm liking the sun. when I grow inside still use mh and hps.
 
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thcmanwithaplan

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stumps said:
once you get enough led's to have enough light you'll be into the lights for about 10k.
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The price isn't a problem, he wants to use LED's for the power consumption, reduced heat, and no thermal signature. Is there such a thing as horizontal light mover for lights on your wall? He is thinking about 2 of these http://www.hydrogrowled.com/Penetrator-336X-PRO-LED-Grow-Light-P87.aspx on 6ft light movers and have 2 of these http://www.hydrogrowled.com/Penetrator-189X-PRO-LED-Grow-Light-P86.aspx for the sides on horizontal light movers for the Flowering Room. He understands it could cost money for this project, but LED's is something he wants done. Does anyone have recommendations for systems that can auto adjust the PH and PPM's of a large reservoir? Thanks for all the replies everyone, much appreciated! Also would it yield more if he decided to do ScrOG, or if he added 2 sidelights on the sides of the plants? (If horizontal light movers aren't possible he'll be using http://www.hydrogrowled.com/Penetrator-168X-PRO-LED-Grow-Light-P97.aspx instead of the 189X that I linked above.)
 
hoss12781

hoss12781

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Hydro Grow LED is run by a transgender scamer named Cammie, just google Cammie LED scam. Your friend should avoid
 
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Bwpz

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hoss12781 said:
Hydro Grow LED is run by a transgender scamer named Cammie, just google Cammie LED scam. Your friend should avoid
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I call bullshit, if it was ran by a single person why would other popular companies carry them? They obviously work, just not as good.
 
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stumps

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you might check out the new I think it's called mhp. there only making them in 400w The light only puts off about the same heat as a 100w cfl. I tried to get more info but can't get ahold of the guy using them.
 
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doser

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unless someone is paying you to run an experimental led grow Why would you. If money is no issue then the only good reason to run LED is out the window. You can afford the utility bills. We already have a guy on the site holding down the "I've got more money than brains" fort and he's doing a fine job of it. Where really just isn't a good reason to go with a low output light source unless you are trying to save money somewhere or you believe that LED will do a better job than HID and I don't think anyone is claiming that. It's your money though, you can throw it away if you want too.
 
Xcon

Xcon

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doser said:
unless someone is paying you to run an experimental led grow Why would you. If money is no issue then the only good reason to run LED is out the window. You can afford the utility bills. We already have a guy on the site holding down the "I've got more money than brains" fort and he's doing a fine job of it. Where really just isn't a good reason to go with a low output light source unless you are trying to save money somewhere or you believe that LED will do a better job than HID and I don't think anyone is claiming that. It's your money though, you can throw it away if you want too.
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You forgot about heat signatures :roll:
 
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