Help with nutrients PLEASE :)
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Slipon
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ok .. so your PH is a lot like mine .. so mostlikely the same (use hard water nutriens .. come in them two diffrent types .. hard and soft)
you will also need some PH down as you want to use water that have a PH of 6,5 (after you add the nutriens)
this is realy importent for helthy plants ..
its cheap and even comes in bottels for veg and flower (got the acids its need/can use in veg/flower for extra helth)
I reccon a small bottel is like 10$ or so ..
and some liquid PH test kit .. same price easy to use .. 500 times for a small bottel/kit ..
to find out exatly your water queality/hardness .. check your water company web pages .. search/google it .. location/water most citys have a detaild chart of what it contains ..
also if you have clorin in your water you want to tap it the day or two before useing it to make the cloring evaporate .. even if you dont have .. tap it the day before .. roots like tempert water .. not to cold or hot .. room temps ..
you will also need some PH down as you want to use water that have a PH of 6,5 (after you add the nutriens)
this is realy importent for helthy plants ..
its cheap and even comes in bottels for veg and flower (got the acids its need/can use in veg/flower for extra helth)
I reccon a small bottel is like 10$ or so ..
and some liquid PH test kit .. same price easy to use .. 500 times for a small bottel/kit ..
to find out exatly your water queality/hardness .. check your water company web pages .. search/google it .. location/water most citys have a detaild chart of what it contains ..
also if you have clorin in your water you want to tap it the day or two before useing it to make the cloring evaporate .. even if you dont have .. tap it the day before .. roots like tempert water .. not to cold or hot .. room temps ..
Slipon
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this is about what you want to buy if you want to go with GH
PH test kit so you can find out your PH
some kind of PH down (if your PH is over 6,5) can also get it in povder and with acids and stuff .. do the research ..
bloom and micro .. all you need .. to grow from seedling to haverst ..
3 ML micro (1/3 cap. of the bottel) and 6ML bloom (2/3 of the Cap of the bottel) per gallon evry time you watering .. start after the 4th sets of nots/leaves .. use half strenges the fist time ..
rippen to use last 2-3 weeks to make the buds even bigger/better ..
I reccon I payd sumthing like 50$ tops for it all ..
PH test kit so you can find out your PH
some kind of PH down (if your PH is over 6,5) can also get it in povder and with acids and stuff .. do the research ..
bloom and micro .. all you need .. to grow from seedling to haverst ..3 ML micro (1/3 cap. of the bottel) and 6ML bloom (2/3 of the Cap of the bottel) per gallon evry time you watering .. start after the 4th sets of nots/leaves .. use half strenges the fist time ..
rippen to use last 2-3 weeks to make the buds even bigger/better ..
I reccon I payd sumthing like 50$ tops for it all ..
wow those looks really nice cant explain how much i appreciate the the help im gunna looking into finding weather its hard or soft its a bit tricky since i live on an island
not sure if this is it http://www.crd.bc.ca/southerngulf/water/magic-lake/documents/2010MagicLakeAnnualTable1Raw.pdf
or thishttp://www.crd.bc.ca/southerngulf/water/magic-lake/water-quality.htm
this stuff gets pretty intense eh
not sure if this is it http://www.crd.bc.ca/southerngulf/water/magic-lake/documents/2010MagicLakeAnnualTable1Raw.pdf
or thishttp://www.crd.bc.ca/southerngulf/water/magic-lake/water-quality.htm
this stuff gets pretty intense eh
Slipon
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as fare as I can see you got realy nice water .. I mean REALY nice .. with copper/zink/iron/mg/cal aso aso aso in it .. and your PH is like 7,5
so I actualy belive you would need the soft water .... but do me a favor .. do a littel research .. but its no biggy .. boath will work .. just if you have realy hard water the soft one can be a littel to much I belive ..
but I dont belive you got realy hard water .. I got semi hard .. you might get sumthing like soft/normal ..
I reccon you have nice clean water ..
just make sure you water with a PH near 6,5 (6,2 - 6,8 is close enough)
and yea I belive each 1L bottel of micro and bloom cost like 12-15$ each .. think I got 20% off sals ... rippen was about the same
and test kit and PH down I got in a kit for 10$ or so (in Denish money)
but 40-60$ schould do it .. look for good offers ..
and you dont need RIP to start with .. but if you have to get it shipped you might aswell get it to start with to safe money ..
also .. ther is a lot of expensiv bud boosters and flowering nutriens out ther (+50$ a bottel) guess them are thoes with plant homons in them .. Im sure they work realy great .. but I like to get the basic in place fist .. then later on .. maybe next grow when I know what Im doing I might add some more so I can see the result ..
keep it simple .. think logic .. and good luck ..
so I actualy belive you would need the soft water .... but do me a favor .. do a littel research .. but its no biggy .. boath will work .. just if you have realy hard water the soft one can be a littel to much I belive ..
but I dont belive you got realy hard water .. I got semi hard .. you might get sumthing like soft/normal ..
I reccon you have nice clean water ..
just make sure you water with a PH near 6,5 (6,2 - 6,8 is close enough)
and yea I belive each 1L bottel of micro and bloom cost like 12-15$ each .. think I got 20% off sals ... rippen was about the same
and test kit and PH down I got in a kit for 10$ or so (in Denish money)
but 40-60$ schould do it .. look for good offers ..
and you dont need RIP to start with .. but if you have to get it shipped you might aswell get it to start with to safe money ..
also .. ther is a lot of expensiv bud boosters and flowering nutriens out ther (+50$ a bottel) guess them are thoes with plant homons in them .. Im sure they work realy great .. but I like to get the basic in place fist .. then later on .. maybe next grow when I know what Im doing I might add some more so I can see the result ..
keep it simple .. think logic .. and good luck ..
Slipon
Well-Known Member
btw
dunno about clones .. but I reccon its the same .. let em grow for a week or two .. when they have like 4 leave points and maybe is like 4-6 inches high .. start on ½ strengs nuts .. I reccon you will have em in like 1 gallon pots by then .. watering like evry 3-6 day .. then its time to go 3/6 evry time you water .. of course keep a eye on em .. look for nut burns .. if you see any .. step back and use ½ strenges agin .. its pretty simple .. but you realy cant learn for real before you actualy do it ..
but what I jsut toald you here is some of the info/knowlegs and experiance I have been gattering last 2 month ..
so do me a favor and make a littel note book or sumthing (I did when I startet) and make some Notes for your self .. of the most importent stuff .. like right PH aso. will help you later on ..
Ooh yea and look at this link .. help me out a lot in the start:
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/how-grow-marijuana/81264-how-grow-marijuana-everything-you-need-know.html
realy nice problem solver and guide ..
dunno about clones .. but I reccon its the same .. let em grow for a week or two .. when they have like 4 leave points and maybe is like 4-6 inches high .. start on ½ strengs nuts .. I reccon you will have em in like 1 gallon pots by then .. watering like evry 3-6 day .. then its time to go 3/6 evry time you water .. of course keep a eye on em .. look for nut burns .. if you see any .. step back and use ½ strenges agin .. its pretty simple .. but you realy cant learn for real before you actualy do it ..
but what I jsut toald you here is some of the info/knowlegs and experiance I have been gattering last 2 month ..
so do me a favor and make a littel note book or sumthing (I did when I startet) and make some Notes for your self .. of the most importent stuff .. like right PH aso. will help you later on ..
Ooh yea and look at this link .. help me out a lot in the start:
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/how-grow-marijuana/81264-how-grow-marijuana-everything-you-need-know.html
realy nice problem solver and guide ..
dont know how to thank you for all the help ,, one last question please ..so for these nutrients there is specific one for hard water or soft water?
ill go with what u say the soft/normal but i will maybe contact the company and see what they have to say cant really find it online..
i will try the rip see how it is , i might as well get everything all at once because i have to leave the island
thank you soo much!
Slipon
Well-Known Member
looking closer .. you got soft water ..
you got a hardness of 58
soft is 0-60 so soft to soft/moderat .. so go for the Micro soft water (red chilis on the bottel .. hard water have purble
)
you got a hardness of 58
| Classification | hardness in mg/L | hardness in mmol/L | hardness in dGH/°dH |
|---|---|---|---|
| Soft | 0–60 | 0–0.60 | 0–3.36 |
| Moderately hard | 61–120 | 0.61–1.20 | 3.42–6.72 |
| Hard | 121–180 | 1.21–1.80 | 6.78–10.08 |
| Very hard | ≥ 181 | ≥ 1.81 | ≥ 10.14 |
soft is 0-60 so soft to soft/moderat .. so go for the Micro soft water (red chilis on the bottel .. hard water have purble
)
Slipon
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and Np.
I remember how it was .. pretty confusing .. and I realy just wanted something simple and nub proof to start with ..
I got one (witchdoctor) who help me out a lot in the start .. guess its just good carma to do the same .. specialy now that I actualy can help ...
as indoor growing is kinda new to me .. but GH I know ..
you can add me as a friend if you like .. update me on your growth aso.
ask more questions
I remember how it was .. pretty confusing .. and I realy just wanted something simple and nub proof to start with ..
I got one (witchdoctor) who help me out a lot in the start .. guess its just good carma to do the same .. specialy now that I actualy can help ...
as indoor growing is kinda new to me .. but GH I know ..
you can add me as a friend if you like .. update me on your growth aso.
ask more questions
Slipon
Well-Known Member
btw
now Im ad it
Lucas Formula
this Lucas Formula is for hydro .. but can easily be convertet to soil .. just cut it in half .. or 1/4 if you want to add nuts to evry watering ..
now Im ad it
Lucas Formula
General Hydroponics Flora Series Feeding Strategy - Lucas Formula
G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Vegetative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)
The numbers above indicate the number of milliliters (ml) of Flora Grow, Micro or Bloom formulas that I use in one gallon (US Liquid) of nutrients.
You will notice I dont use any of the Flora “Grow” formula, do not need to, the Flora "Micro" provides plenty of Nitrogen.
There are two ways to work with this Formula:
1. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected water solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. After adding back an amount of water equal to the amount of your reservoir capacity you should change the reservoir and put in fresh solution.
2. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected 100% strength nutrient solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. Continue to use this nutrient solution without dumping the tank unless the PPM rises above acceptable levels.
Between vegetative and flowering cycles you should dump your nutrients, then flush (possibly with Clearex) to remove salt buildups, then change to the other feeding program. Always shake your GH nutrient bottles before using them!
For young plants, just transplanted into the hydro setup, give them 50% strength nutrient mix to prevent overfeeding them while their young. Gradually bring up the mix to full strength as they grow over the next few weeks or so.
The lucas formula is normally intended for use with RO or near 0 PPM water.
NOTE: The Lucas formula eliminates the need for Epsom salts to correct (Magnesium) Mg deficiencies in most normal feeding programs recommended by manufacturers. Cannabis needs a lot of Magnesium to thrive.
The Flora Micro is providing the Nitrogen and the Magnesium in the proper balance, thus there is no need for the Grow formula and little or no room under the maximum acceptable ppm limit of 1600 @ 0.7 conversion.
Calculated EC/TDS levels:
EC microsiemen:
0-4-8: 946 µS
0-5-10: 1184 µS
0-8-16: 1894 µS
TDS @ 0.5 conversion:
0-4-8 = 473 ppm
0-5-10 = 592 ppm
0-8-16 = 947 ppm
TDS @ 0.7 conversion:
0-4-8 = 663 ppm
0-5-10 = 829 ppm
0-8-16 = 1326 ppm
Addback Calculator - (For Advanced Users)
Say you were running the 0-8-16 formula, at 0.7 conversion with a 22 gallon res. When you first fill it up, your ppm will be around 1330.
Now you have been growing for a week, and some of the water has been taken up by the plants, some has evaporated, and now your res is at 947 ppm. You need to get your ppm from 947 to 1330. Here is the equation:
((target - current) / target) * 8 ml per gallon * res gallons = Flora Micro (ml) double this figure to get Flora Bloom (ml)
Example:
((1330 - 947) / 1330) * 8 * 22
(383 / 1330) * 8 * 22
0.3 * 8 * 22 = 53 ml Flora Micro
53 ml Flora Micro, double that and you get 106 ml Flora Bloom. So 53 ml Flora Micro and 106 ml Flora Bloom to add back to your 22 gallon res to get you from 947 to 1330.
Using Hard Water GH Micro:
I had been experimenting with using the Hard water Micro as a substitute for the normal Flora Micro, this to account for my hard 350 PPM water and the lack of a large enough RO filter at the time. It has worked well for me. I just kept my reservoir below 1150 PPM @ .5 conversion and its all good.
One tip - do not pH down this stuff, the hard water micro will drop pH gradually over the next 24 hours, for example I mix up a batch, it is at like 6.2, the next day, its at 5.6-5.8 after running in the system for a while. If I pH downed that to 5.7 before putting it in the system, it ended up as low as 4.8-5.2 by the next day.
My conclusion, the hard water micro was buffering the alkaline crud in my water, it just doesnot do it ASAP fast like the phosphoric acid.
G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Vegetative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)
The numbers above indicate the number of milliliters (ml) of Flora Grow, Micro or Bloom formulas that I use in one gallon (US Liquid) of nutrients.
You will notice I dont use any of the Flora “Grow” formula, do not need to, the Flora "Micro" provides plenty of Nitrogen.
There are two ways to work with this Formula:
1. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected water solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. After adding back an amount of water equal to the amount of your reservoir capacity you should change the reservoir and put in fresh solution.
2. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected 100% strength nutrient solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. Continue to use this nutrient solution without dumping the tank unless the PPM rises above acceptable levels.
Between vegetative and flowering cycles you should dump your nutrients, then flush (possibly with Clearex) to remove salt buildups, then change to the other feeding program. Always shake your GH nutrient bottles before using them!
For young plants, just transplanted into the hydro setup, give them 50% strength nutrient mix to prevent overfeeding them while their young. Gradually bring up the mix to full strength as they grow over the next few weeks or so.
The lucas formula is normally intended for use with RO or near 0 PPM water.
NOTE: The Lucas formula eliminates the need for Epsom salts to correct (Magnesium) Mg deficiencies in most normal feeding programs recommended by manufacturers. Cannabis needs a lot of Magnesium to thrive.
The Flora Micro is providing the Nitrogen and the Magnesium in the proper balance, thus there is no need for the Grow formula and little or no room under the maximum acceptable ppm limit of 1600 @ 0.7 conversion.
Calculated EC/TDS levels:
EC microsiemen:
0-4-8: 946 µS
0-5-10: 1184 µS
0-8-16: 1894 µS
TDS @ 0.5 conversion:
0-4-8 = 473 ppm
0-5-10 = 592 ppm
0-8-16 = 947 ppm
TDS @ 0.7 conversion:
0-4-8 = 663 ppm
0-5-10 = 829 ppm
0-8-16 = 1326 ppm
Addback Calculator - (For Advanced Users)
Say you were running the 0-8-16 formula, at 0.7 conversion with a 22 gallon res. When you first fill it up, your ppm will be around 1330.
Now you have been growing for a week, and some of the water has been taken up by the plants, some has evaporated, and now your res is at 947 ppm. You need to get your ppm from 947 to 1330. Here is the equation:
((target - current) / target) * 8 ml per gallon * res gallons = Flora Micro (ml) double this figure to get Flora Bloom (ml)
Example:
((1330 - 947) / 1330) * 8 * 22
(383 / 1330) * 8 * 22
0.3 * 8 * 22 = 53 ml Flora Micro
53 ml Flora Micro, double that and you get 106 ml Flora Bloom. So 53 ml Flora Micro and 106 ml Flora Bloom to add back to your 22 gallon res to get you from 947 to 1330.
Using Hard Water GH Micro:
I had been experimenting with using the Hard water Micro as a substitute for the normal Flora Micro, this to account for my hard 350 PPM water and the lack of a large enough RO filter at the time. It has worked well for me. I just kept my reservoir below 1150 PPM @ .5 conversion and its all good.
One tip - do not pH down this stuff, the hard water micro will drop pH gradually over the next 24 hours, for example I mix up a batch, it is at like 6.2, the next day, its at 5.6-5.8 after running in the system for a while. If I pH downed that to 5.7 before putting it in the system, it ended up as low as 4.8-5.2 by the next day.
My conclusion, the hard water micro was buffering the alkaline crud in my water, it just doesnot do it ASAP fast like the phosphoric acid.
this Lucas Formula is for hydro .. but can easily be convertet to soil .. just cut it in half .. or 1/4 if you want to add nuts to evry watering ..
lol man your a really nice guy to point all this out
little confused on the ppm but gunna take a further look in to it
another question
0-5-10 for veg .. on 18. 6 light.. is the 0-5-10 is the nutrients in the product or is that how much to mix in .. ahh frustrating
lol talk about newb eh. figured it was gunna b a little simpler to grow but to have good end results have to do the work.
i guess i still dont under stand the feeding schedule. i understand what sort of nutrients u need to make everything work now but not how to feed them properly
so the 0 -5- 10 thts how many milliliters per /L add?
i should probably mention i got some bio bizz all purple soil sitting around
oh man confusing stuff , i may be over thinking it tho
its almost a bit over whelming with the nutrients what to use and how to begin
little confused on the ppm but gunna take a further look in to it
another question
0-5-10 for veg .. on 18. 6 light.. is the 0-5-10 is the nutrients in the product or is that how much to mix in .. ahh frustrating
lol talk about newb eh. figured it was gunna b a little simpler to grow but to have good end results have to do the work.
i guess i still dont under stand the feeding schedule. i understand what sort of nutrients u need to make everything work now but not how to feed them properly
so the 0 -5- 10 thts how many milliliters per /L add?
i should probably mention i got some bio bizz all purple soil sitting around
oh man confusing stuff , i may be over thinking it tho
its almost a bit over whelming with the nutrients what to use and how to begin
Filthy Phil
Well-Known Member
It cer tainly can be confusing. Think of it like learning to drive...if i explained to you about gear ratios, transmitions, as a way to drive, youd have a hard time. If i said, push the pedals and tirn the wheel...much easier. So, take er nice and slow. Put in soil, monitor ph of nutes in, and runoff. Go for the basics, dont mash the pedals and give too much nutes, and enjoy the drive.
missnu
Well-Known Member
Just pick one...most nutes used properly, which of course depends on the strain and nutes in question, will get the same results. Use something for grow once the plant is a few weeks old, and the bottom leaves have started to go pale...just maybe 1/4 - 1/2 whatever the recommended dose is...then in bloom same thing, but sometimes you don't have to give any nutes, and sometimes you do...generally I add nutes at every watering, unless the plant starts to tell me it has had enough...I usually transplant then switch to flower...once in flower I give whatever nutes I am going to at a rate dependent on how the specific plant liked tolerated the veg nutes, but I start again with a little at a time...if the plant starts to look yellow I might add some nitrogen unless it's a good ways in to flower..then eff it....
I have recently switched to using Botanicare coco with Canna Nutes...I am not sure if it is the coco, or the nutes with the coco, but I will soon find out...
I have recently switched to using Botanicare coco with Canna Nutes...I am not sure if it is the coco, or the nutes with the coco, but I will soon find out...
Slipon
Well-Known Member
yea keep it simple ... its weed .. not rocket sciens
start as simple as possible and work your way up (thats how I do it)
get:
good pots .. with great drain holes .. maybe 1... 3 and 5 gallons .. (2 weeks/4 weeks/flowering)
get some nice soil .. mix it yourself if needed .. peetmoss.. wormcasting.. perelit .. lega.. sand .. clay ..
do the research and see waht you can get your hands on .. they like it light and airy .. so the roots can get air (also why you schould let top few inches dry out before watering so they dont drown)
now they have a house and a bed ..
good basic nutriens .. like them GH
and make sure you have nice water with the right PH ..
now they have food and water ...
light .. is pretty importent .. I dunno if you grow out door ? if not get some good T5 or CLF for Veg or maybe even a MH .. and a HPS for flowering ..
we can get in to this later if you plan to grow indoor ?
same go with ventilation/carbonfilter .. if your indoor its a must !!!! I cant not stress this enough .. unless your the only person on the island and can smell ****
as you said it aint that simple .. you cant do it half .. but realy .. once you got them basics in order (and have spend a few hundred $) its running by it self makeing nice medecin for you with littel cost
I use 2x10 minuts a day or so .. half of them admire my plants/buds
the .. etc.. 0-5-10 means = 0ML grow (as you dont use it with lucas fomular ) 5ML micro and 10ML bloom
but as I said .. and let me cut it out in cardboord
a simple version of the Lucas fomular is to just add: 3ML of micro soft water and 6ML of bloom to each gallon (4 liters) of water ...
and then adjust the PH to 6,5 and water your plants with it .. ther is`t much more to it ..
only thing is to start out slowly .. wait untill your plants is`t babys anymore .. when they are teens .. and have maybe 10 leaves .. then add half strengs or so 2ML and 4ML might work .. go up as bit next time and then continue with full strenges ..
the hole point of this is that you dont changes the ammount of nutriens put in the water ..
since you add it to evry watering you make .. so insted of going up in nutriens you will naturaly water more and more as your plants grow bigger and needs more water ... and that way you feed em more .. and the fomular is pretty spot on .. good enough for me .. just keep a eye on em .. I have`t notice anything .. but if I see nut burns I back up a bit .. maybe do a flush (let 3xt he ammount of water as your soil runn trugh to wash out nuts if you got to many in the dirt .. on day 57 and nothing yet)
so Im blabling .. late and Im stoned
the caps on the bottel is 10 ML or take a littel extra $ with you for a small mesurement cup and what ever the nice sales person make you buy
and sure it is confusing .. and you wont learn it all over night even tho it would be nice and that is what you want to start with .. take it slow .. read a lot .. ask questions .. use the fist grow to try out stuff .. I did FIM one plant and LST them both .. just to see what I like ..
start as simple as possible and work your way up (thats how I do it)
get:
good pots .. with great drain holes .. maybe 1... 3 and 5 gallons .. (2 weeks/4 weeks/flowering)
get some nice soil .. mix it yourself if needed .. peetmoss.. wormcasting.. perelit .. lega.. sand .. clay ..
do the research and see waht you can get your hands on .. they like it light and airy .. so the roots can get air (also why you schould let top few inches dry out before watering so they dont drown)
now they have a house and a bed ..
good basic nutriens .. like them GH
and make sure you have nice water with the right PH ..
now they have food and water ...
light .. is pretty importent .. I dunno if you grow out door ? if not get some good T5 or CLF for Veg or maybe even a MH .. and a HPS for flowering ..
we can get in to this later if you plan to grow indoor ?
same go with ventilation/carbonfilter .. if your indoor its a must !!!! I cant not stress this enough .. unless your the only person on the island and can smell ****
as you said it aint that simple .. you cant do it half .. but realy .. once you got them basics in order (and have spend a few hundred $) its running by it self makeing nice medecin for you with littel cost
I use 2x10 minuts a day or so .. half of them admire my plants/buds
the .. etc.. 0-5-10 means = 0ML grow (as you dont use it with lucas fomular ) 5ML micro and 10ML bloom
but as I said .. and let me cut it out in cardboord
a simple version of the Lucas fomular is to just add: 3ML of micro soft water and 6ML of bloom to each gallon (4 liters) of water ...
and then adjust the PH to 6,5 and water your plants with it .. ther is`t much more to it ..
only thing is to start out slowly .. wait untill your plants is`t babys anymore .. when they are teens .. and have maybe 10 leaves .. then add half strengs or so 2ML and 4ML might work .. go up as bit next time and then continue with full strenges ..
the hole point of this is that you dont changes the ammount of nutriens put in the water ..
since you add it to evry watering you make .. so insted of going up in nutriens you will naturaly water more and more as your plants grow bigger and needs more water ... and that way you feed em more .. and the fomular is pretty spot on .. good enough for me .. just keep a eye on em .. I have`t notice anything .. but if I see nut burns I back up a bit .. maybe do a flush (let 3xt he ammount of water as your soil runn trugh to wash out nuts if you got to many in the dirt .. on day 57 and nothing yet)
so Im blabling .. late and Im stoned
the caps on the bottel is 10 ML or take a littel extra $ with you for a small mesurement cup and what ever the nice sales person make you buy
and sure it is confusing .. and you wont learn it all over night even tho it would be nice and that is what you want to start with .. take it slow .. read a lot .. ask questions .. use the fist grow to try out stuff .. I did FIM one plant and LST them both .. just to see what I like ..
wow that explains way easier..
I am doing indoor, i got a 200 watt cfl, but will be picking up a 400 watt md/hp due to the amount of plants i will b having maybe even more 600 or even 2 x 400 watts
25 clones is alot but thast all my friend will give me at a time no less or no more. looks like ill need 2 lights for this ?
i was thinking of going with the cooling tubes that way its a bit easier to vent them out..and keep control of the temperature along with a carbon filter ( also there are some REALLY good deals on ebay )
Great explanation i definitely got a way better understand of whats going on , and i do understand its trial and error ( ask ricky(Trailer park boys ) would say Denial and error )
I am really looking forward to challenge and cant thank you enough for the help, i will be picking up lots of stuff tomorrow ! to get everything on the go!
I will definitely keep a log, take picture and keep u updated.. and if you see anything wrong please let me know!
I am doing indoor, i got a 200 watt cfl, but will be picking up a 400 watt md/hp due to the amount of plants i will b having maybe even more 600 or even 2 x 400 watts
25 clones is alot but thast all my friend will give me at a time no less or no more. looks like ill need 2 lights for this ?
i was thinking of going with the cooling tubes that way its a bit easier to vent them out..and keep control of the temperature along with a carbon filter ( also there are some REALLY good deals on ebay )
Great explanation i definitely got a way better understand of whats going on , and i do understand its trial and error ( ask ricky(Trailer park boys ) would say Denial and error )
I am really looking forward to challenge and cant thank you enough for the help,
i will be picking up lots of stuff tomorrow ! to get everything on the go!I will definitely keep a log, take picture and keep u updated.. and if you see anything wrong please let me know!
Filthy Phil
Well-Known Member
One problem i see is 25 clones and 400 watts to bloom with. Thats way too many plants. I do.2 plants per 600 watt. You may feel its a waste to not use all the clones, but using them all would really be the biggest waste. They will get very political with eachother. They will spend all their time trying to outgrow the next guy, wasting their energy fighting eachother instead of getting shit done. Theyll get crouded and shoot for the sky, trying to outgrow the next. Do one or two plants. top them. Get them bushy. Thin out the undergrowth. Go for more canopy zone, less height. Plan its growth ahead of time. Growin good plants is like drivong a schoolbus in that you really want to plan your turns out ahead of time. Sell 23 clones to pay the elwctric for your 400 watt, and grow two. Win win. Your friend just gave you free electric or nutes... Not clones.