Help with rockwool drain to waste setup

calenk

Member
Thanks dude. Understood. I think to be honest I just went overboard buying the big mama's when the 6" cubes will do me fine. Can I start in 6" cubes, or should I go with starter cubes, then in to 6"?

How important is run off (this is the actual amount that runs off when feeding - right?) against dryback?

i.e. if I use a proper meter to get my dryback to perfect percentages when it gets first feed and when lights go out (I read somewhere that between this time it's important to get the right dryback) then I could pretty much gauge it so I have minimal run-off and minimum waste?

they're both important. I mean I'm no expert or anything so maybe a long time rockwool user could chime in. but imagine how long a big cube takes to dry out when the plant isn't big enough to drink the water....takes a long time and the roots stay wet longer than is ideal. people tend to water less to combat this but then you have salt building up. imagine you have a chunk of paper towel and you kept pouring salt water on it just until it was saturated, and you did this day after day..... imagine the amount of salt that would build up..none of it would be getting washed away. that's where the runoff comes in and in some case flushes. but usually just watering until there is significant runoff is enough an no flushing is needed.
 

Justin Freidman

Well-Known Member
they're both important. I mean I'm no expert or anything so maybe a long time rockwool user could chime in. but imagine how long a big cube takes to dry out when the plant isn't big enough to drink the water....takes a long time and the roots stay wet longer than is ideal. people tend to water less to combat this but then you have salt building up. imagine you have a chunk of paper towel and you kept pouring salt water on it just until it was saturated, and you did this day after day..... imagine the amount of salt that would build up..none of it would be getting washed away. that's where the runoff comes in and in some case flushes. but usually just watering until significant there is runoff is enough an no flushing is needed.
Understand. I always thought top-watering rockwool stopped salt build up, that's one of the reasons I went with top feed over a flood and drain tray (plus grodan state not to flood and drain big mama cubes)

I watched this guys short video and thought it made a lot of sense to me. It's worth checking out and only short.

 

calenk

Member
Understand. I always thought top-watering rockwool stopped salt build up, that's one of the reasons I went with top feed over a flood and drain tray (plus grodan state not to flood and drain big mama cubes)

I watched this guys short video and thought it made a lot of sense to me. It's worth checking out and only short.

you're correct in thinking so. just need to water enough to wash the salts away. which is why the medium can't be oversized for the plant cause then it takes too long to dry out between watering.... it's all about a balance between the two.
 

Justin Freidman

Well-Known Member
you're correct in thinking so. just need to water enough to wash the salts away. which is why the medium can't be oversized for the plant cause then it takes too long to dry out between watering.... it's all about a balance between the two.
Thanks again for taking the time to reply and for your help dude.
 

doniawon

Well-Known Member
A trick for getting water out of water logged blocks.
Stack the soaked cube on another dry cube same size or bigger, the bottom cube will pull the water out and o2 in.

Once u get a good root mass u can water at will. The beginning can be tricky.
 

Airwalker16

Well-Known Member
Thanks dude. Understood. I think to be honest I just went overboard buying the big mama's when the 6" cubes will do me fine. Can I start in 6" cubes, or should I go with starter cubes, then in to 6"?

How important is run off (this is the actual amount that runs off when feeding - right?) against dryback?

i.e. if I use a proper meter to get my dryback to perfect percentages when it gets first feed and when lights go out (I read somewhere that between this time it's important to get the right dryback) then I could pretty much gauge it so I have minimal run-off and minimum waste?
Start in the 2" then up to 4" THEN 6-8". There's a reason there's so many sizes.
 

kingromano

Well-Known Member
Or never use rock wool again...
arduino are not reliable for moisture content measuring
in my opinion
i own the delta-t sm150t, its a professional WC monitoring meter
but you have to hand measure
if you want total automatation the grosens is advised, but its a big investement
the sm150 is more affordable and give an excellent value for money

rockwool is the queen of the substrates imo. but tricky to water conveniantly
 

Airwalker16

Well-Known Member
arduino are not reliable for moisture content measuring
in my opinion
i own the delta-t sm150t, its a professional WC monitoring meter
but you have to hand measure
if you want total automatation the grosens is advised, but its a big investement
the sm150 is more affordable and give an excellent value for money

rockwool is the queen of the substrates imo. but tricky to water conveniantly
Economically, WATER is the Top Dawg of mediums. In my opinion, why would you ever spend money on rock wool, soil, coco, or anything for that matter when Hydroton is infinitely reusable and the waters already gonna be used to begin with. RDWC could save some Big Ops insane amounts of money. They're all just too afraid or uneducated on how to do it right.

With waterfalls.

I hope to change that some day.
 

kingromano

Well-Known Member
Economically, WATER is the Top Dawg of mediums. In my opinion, why would you ever spend money on rock wool, soil, coco, or anything for that matter when Hydroton is infinitely reusable and the waters already gonna be used to begin with. RDWC could save some Big Ops insane amounts of money. They're all just too afraid or uneducated on how to do it right.

With waterfalls.

I hope to change that some day.
rdwc is a joke compared to well managed rockwool drip system
only advantage is that dwc dont consume substrate
 
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