HELP!!

Pan the man said:

Thanx bro, great advice except these are autos and they went into flower last week....you said run off til I want it ?..how would I know all the hot nutes are ran out?..I did use dry amendment from OCF so all that is sitting on the top few layers of medium so will I need to flush til all the color is gone?..thanx bro..

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This about autos is the prob..autos dont give you the time to fix any prob..also the combination of fem and ruderalis will give you lower thc content but this is another story..not think of it now..try to save the plants..
From your next crop try some photoperiodic feminized seeds..
Well i use only liquid nutrients..
the good thing about your situation is the coco..you can flush it in once without overwater it..
So, flush it...and every gallon u give it..test the run off with your EC meter..when it dropes down where you want it to be (i dont know about autos, i never grow them), start the process i told you above!

EL Connoisseur said:

@Pan the man
Well..listen to me...and you will solve the problem..
1) Keep it in veg till it will be perfect again.
2) Flush till the run off drop down where you want it.
3) When the run off is where you want, try to keep it there via watering and feeding..When you water or feed is totally dependent on how much they eat..run off will indicate you for this..if you have a run off more than 0.5 of what you put in, water it with plain phed water and check the run off again.
4) Use the right nutrition line for veg.
5) EC for Veg in COCO(not pre-VEG): 1.3 - 1.8 based on the size and the age of the plants. Nothing more.. and nothing less..
Do this every time you feed and water..
This is the only way to save your plants..
Let them in veg, do what i told you, and you will be fine..give it cal mag once a week..you will need it in coco.
Once you see the plants are healthy and thriving again..turn them into flowring..

This info is gold for a coco grower..!
Good luck bro..I wish i helped you!


E.C.

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EL Connoisseur said:

This about autos is the prob..autos dont give you the time to fix any prob..also the combination of fem and ruderalis will give you lower thc content but this is another story..not think of it now..try to save the plants..
From your next crop try some photoperiodic feminized seeds..
Well i use only liquid nutrients..
the good thing about your situation is the coco..you can flush it in once without overwater it..
So, flush it...and every gallon u give it..test the run off with your EC meter..when it dropes down where you want it to be (i dont know about autos, i never grow them), start the process i told you above!

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Very nice ..thank you for the advice ..I do have 4 photoperiod started and that's my next adventure ..I'm getting a little tired of the low yield of autos so I'm trying to make the transition now ..I'm not in 100% Coco but a 70/30 Coco and Coco loco soil hybrid or whatever.. actually it's Coco tek which I think is for hydroponic system not real sure though

Pan the man said:

Very nice ..thank you for the advice ..I do have 4 photoperiod started and that's my next adventure ..I'm getting a little tired of the low yield of autos so I'm trying to make the transition now ..I'm not in 100% Coco but a 70/30 Coco and Coco loco soil hybrid or whatever.. actually it's Coco tek which I think is for hydroponic system not real sure though

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No problem bro..anytime you need anything, just ask.!..
About media..the only think you need is pure coco..you can have great results, without the fear of the ovewatering like soil..also you dont need TONES of nutrients like hydro..and in my opinion..use it pure..without perlite..without anything..where the perlite is..there is air..and where is air..there is no nutrients..i have reaserched a lot about this..if you want more aeriated media..just use pure coco with fabric pots..Best of the best in my opinion!

EL Connoisseur said:

No problem bro..anytime you need anything, just ask.!..
About media..the only think you need is pure coco..you can have great results, without the fear of the ovewatering like soil..also you dont need TONES of nutrients like hydro..and in my opinion..use it pure..without perlite..without anything..where the perlite is..there is air..and where is air..there is no nutrients..i have reaserched a lot about this..if you want more aeriated media..just use pure coco with fabric pots..Best of the best in my opinion!

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If I used pure Coco wouldn't I need a whole lot of nutes and doesn't it take daily food?....I wanted to try this but my local soil store has half ass talked me out of trying this method

Flush! Flush with ph correct water!
All of us have had to play doctor with our ladies. (Light burn, nute burn, under-over watering. I have done it all. Learned a little from my screw ups, so all is good.)
FLUSH THOSE LADIES!

Pan the man said:

If I used pure Coco wouldn't I need a whole lot of nutes and doesn't it take daily food?....I wanted to try this but my local soil store has half ass talked me out of trying this method

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Just fuck them..ALMOST EVERYTIME i listen to them..i return to my logic again, when i see that the way they tell me to do something is not better than mine..or is definitely worse than mine..examples(growing media..they told to me also to use soil, not coco..i never did it..they told me about nutrients..many wrongs..example..they told me that i dont need something that i finally needed..I learned the right side by my experiences..example..training..the told me not to take any leaf or not to top my plants..and lot of shiet like this..which finally they were TOTALLY WRONG..you can learn MUCH MORE from the internet and from YOUR AND OTHER'S experiences..with coco you will need to feed approximately in a ratio 3 feed 1 water as a rule of thumb..but this is not standard..you must do what i told you in my 1st message of this thread..
After some time..you will not need tomeasure the run off cause the plants will ''speak'' to you..
you will can know when to water them plain phed or when to feed them based on the signs you will see ON THE PLANTS!
But in a starting level..the only way to have the best results and the only way to learn the coco medium and the plants is to meassure your run off and your actions will be based on this.!

EL Connoisseur said:

Just fuck them..ALMOST EVERYTIME i listen to them..i return to my logic again, when i see that the way they tell me to do something is not better than mine..or is definitely worse than mine..examples(growing media..they told to me also to use soil, not coco..i never did it..they told me about nutrients..many wrongs..example..they told me that i dont need something that i finally needed..I learned the right side by my experiences..example..training..the told me not to take any leaf or not to top my plants..and lot of shiet like this..which finally they were TOTALLY WRONG..you can learn MUCH MORE from the internet and from YOUR AND OTHER'S experiences..with coco you will need to feed approximately in a ratio 3 feed 1 water as a rule of thumb..but this is not standard..you must do what i told you in my 1st message of this thread..

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Very good I'll try this method next grow it will be interesting and fun..thanx bro

gearshift said:

Flush! Flush with ph correct water!
All of us have had to play doctor with our ladies. (Light burn, nute burn, under-over watering. I have done it all. Learned a little from my screw ups, so all is good.)
FLUSH THOSE LADIES!

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Thanx bro I'm fixing to start the flush in a hour or so ....hope I can save them they look pretty sick!

Pan the man said:

Very good I'll try this method next grow it will be interesting and fun..thanx bro

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No problem dude..
We are here to help you whenever you need anything..
Good luck with your grows and i wish you to LEARN fast and in-depth!
Keep it flowering!


E.C.

Pan the man said:

Thanx bro I'm fixing to start the flush in a hour or so ....hope I can save them they look pretty sick!

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I hope you can save them too!
You got advise on how to flush.
All I can add is: if you flush until water runs out the pot bottoms and that is all you do, the flush may do the trick. Wait until the grow medium is dry at half an inch before watering again. With LED lighting that will be at least a few days. A pic in a week or so would be nice.

gearshift said:

I hope you can save them too!
You got advise on how to flush.
All I can add is: if you flush until water runs out the pot bottoms and that is all you do, the flush may do the trick. Wait until the grow medium is dry at half an inch before watering again. With LED lighting that will be at least a few days. A pic in a week or so would be nice.

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Nice bro ya I'll tag u in a photo dead or Alive....I got them in the tub now drying I'll put them in the tent in about 2 hours give everything time to dry .. hoping man I'll be dry for a month if these croak lol got some photos up next

gearshift said:

I hope you can save them too!
You got advise on how to flush.
All I can add is: if you flush until water runs out the pot bottoms and that is all you do, the flush may do the trick. Wait until the grow medium is dry at half an inch before watering again. With LED lighting that will be at least a few days. A pic in a week or so would be nice.

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I have a hps light I run for around 10 hours a day then flip it off was trying to accommodate these lemon haze but didn't seem to work for me after all

Oops... If you are using HPS, the top inch of grow medium will dry fast. Keep checking for moisture level. I have not used your type of medium, but I believe it drains well. Thanks for the tag.

If those are autos they're pretty much done. Those look like fried chicken. I'm the last one to say toss a plant but hearing that they're auto's changes everything. Do as you will. Myself, I wouldn't waste anymore time on some cooked auto's.

xtsho said:

If those are autos they're pretty much done. Those look like fried chicken. I'm the last one to say toss a plant but hearing that they're auto's changes everything. Do as you will. Myself, I wouldn't waste anymore time on some cooked auto's.

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I have a question about photoperiod plants....I have several going now I have a white widow that is getting bushy so I'm wondering if I would be better off to LST it as in bend over the top of the plant and get more main cola's or just let them grow naturally?..thanx

Pan the man said:

I have a question about photoperiod plants....I have several going now I have a white widow that is getting bushy so I'm wondering if I would be better off to LST it as in bend over the top of the plant and get more main cola's or just let them grow naturally?..thanx

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How are your autos doing?
If they were mine, and I had the space, I would grow them out just for the experience and to increase my doctor skills.

I often experimented with topping, FIM (ie: floribunding - FIMMING), LST, supercropping, and simply crimping, bending, and then tying down branches.
I am lazy. Now I mainly:
FIM and crimp, bend and tie small grows. And I supercrop larger grows.
I guess I am saying have fun finding out what works for you. And have fun learning. Also, LST your lady.

gearshift said:

How are your autos doing?
If they were mine, and I had the space, I would grow them out just for the experience and to increase my doctor skills.

I often experimented with topping, FIM (ie: floribunding - FIMMING), LST, supercropping and bending and tied down branches and crimping branches.

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I have several autos they are all new tho 2 inches tall....I have the space for 5 photos and around 4 autos so trying to make the transition to only photos but no experience at them and little on autos but some....if I had a reserve of smoke I wld experiment alot more but damn haze autos set me back a month..

gearshift said:

How are your autos doing?
If they were mine, and I had the space, I would grow them out just for the experience and to increase my doctor skills.

I often experimented with topping, FIM (ie: floribunding - FIMMING), LST, supercropping and bending and tied down branches and crimping branches.

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O autos are doing great except the 2 lemon haze been pretty successful til these 2

So you're keeping the Haze autos, great! Keep us informed of the prognosis, doctor Pan the Man.

Are you going to LST your photo WW? If so, gently bend the top without breaking it and tie it down. Then next lights on, bend it some more and tie. When the top is lower then the next branch growth at the top slows and the lower branches grow faster. If she is much bigger than the other photos you may want to top or FIM her.

Agree with the nute fried autos ... once you screw the pooch on them they don’t recover as well or if at all with their short life . Next time forget coco or coco blends with autos ( at this point ) and grow them in a good aerated bagged mix or DWC.

Most good bagged ( FFOF , EB Stone , Sunshine ) will carry growth from the medium and not from your nute bottles. You can “ supplement “ a medium with dry Nutes like happy Frog fruit and flower mixed in at lower 1/3 . It will aid in keeping medium from exhausting as it moves through flower with minor PK boost ( if necessary) at mid to late flower. You can practically make a water only medium by “ layering “ in this manner. Plus the autos MAIN life growth will Time exactly to how long the medium is already precharged.

It’s stupid simple running autos as plug and play plants .... also that tired old myth of autos bringing lower THC is absolutely wrong. 15 years ago ... maybe. Now , they are being constantly refined. The ruderalis addition is the “ third wheel “ of the cross and is there for speed of grow life. Most will finish before 90 days with a few Sativa heavy leaners. I grow them all the time and they operate better with more light , lesser feed. I keep ppm 600-900 max and get a fire plant.



Stress is the auto killer. Plug and play plants.