here we go again~old weed vs Super weed

I'll post my opinion first, then have at it!

I KNOW weed is stronger today IN GENERAL, but those 20% THC levels are skewed for a couple of reasons.

1.Old sample were done in bulk with seeded bud (theory only). Seeds in a seeded bud take up up to 3/4 the wieght stems too.

2. Hype from the cops. It's much easier to get cash for drug crusades if they claim it is not the same drug your daddy smoked. think "it's gone from benign to malignant".

3. Hype from the seed banks~self explantory.

In general the weed you can get is much better than in "the old days" but I smoked some asian and central american strains that were just as potent as WW. They've been breeding for thousands of years in asia. We do have much broader search capabilities than was even conceivable. I still don't think we've raised the ceiling on the elite strains.

AND THEY'RE OFF!!!!

I am yet to find a strain that meets my needs and desire....

Then you haven't tried Bezerk...it's a new creation from my uncle that is a 4 way cross of WW, Afghani, AK-47, and Blueberry Half a joint between 2 people is MORE then enough to blast you to Mars.

Well brother most of our good old weed has be crossed with a skunk, or haze, or lights from back when you could still get by safely ordering seeds but IMO yeah good shit is good shit and the asian shit is geared more twards hash production high on thc but high on cbn a thc inhibitor heavy body stone overripe ect but good weed is good weed I agree ......f..k the police hype n everything up... go catch a real crimanal....you pussys

True... the best week I ever had was a pure Thai sativa, grown the same way by farmers for over 3000 years... heck... I would have never known what real cannabis means if I hadn't tried that one. And if Alaskan Ice has 21% thc, then that Thai sativa had at least 120%... That's the diffenerce...

Sadly, it's impossible to grow, 3-5m tall, very strange temp requirements and lighting cycles (from 20/4 to 4/20), but it will make you feel incredible... I actually believed this sativa is the tree of life, there is no sativa that can give you such a spiritual, insightful, cerebral, meditative state like this one.

And as for those percentages of THC... here's a vid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grFYYkAFsRo

When discussing percent THC, is it percent by weight and is it based on a live plant or one that has been dried/cured? Wouldn't that make the percent THC a relative measurement dependent on the moisture content of the plant? Could it be possibly lack of a standard way of measuring, let alone talking about it, that can lead to discrepancies?

Watch the vid that i gave a link to on my recent post. The thing is, we are not really told what those percentages are supposed to stand for (21% THC out of what? buds? plant? trichomes?) and any simple answer will not do, as you will see.

Doctor Cannabis said:

Watch the vid that i gave a link to on my recent post. The thing is, we are not really told what those percentages are supposed to stand for (21% THC out of what? buds? plant? trichomes?) and any simple answer will not do, as you will see.

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Thanks. I started to watch the link but was at work and the computer was sans speakers.
I just did watch this and he got some of the science wrong. He said that "the THC represents such a small percentage of the contents of the resin head, that mostly filled with the sticky goo that comes from the terpenes."
Wrong. He needs to go back and listen to himself. The terpenes are within the plastids. The sticky goo he referred to is the very cannibinoids that his science quote accurately said this ooze continues to be forced into the resin head and globs emerge as vessicles are covered with bits of this mat..."
These glandular trichomes swell with this THC laden material. His last few photomicrographs where too high of magnification. It was like looking at the skin of a balloon but not looking at the volume of air within the balloon. Here's picture showing everything under the subcuticular layer he was for some reason showing us.



The gray secretory cavity is filled with cannibinoids and THC! That's what's making them swell up. When he kept saying THC was such a small percentage of the trichome, I knew he was confused. It looks like MM was too high to understand the science in his own presentation
Once he understands what a huge percentage, at least by volume of the capitate head of the stalked trichome, is made up of THC and the other cannabinoids, it will be easier for him to understand why percentage of THC goes up with concentration techniques like hash and budder.

55 posts and you come with that? We have all been Mindphucked.

thats just proof that someones postcount has nothing to do with thier capabilities. not to say thats not from wikipedia. +rep anyway

Yes but you just don't expect it. You expect questions on how long it will take to grow a pound under a 100w incandescent.

OregonMeds said:

Yes but you just don't expect it. You expect questions on how long it will take to grow a pound under a 100w incandescent.

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lol, i like the ones with poscounts under 20 asking where to score pot. i would like to think that cops arent that dumb and that potheads arent either. but it has ot be ONE of them!

mindphuk said:

it will be easier for him to understand why percentage of THC goes up with concentration techniques like hash and budder.

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I think you are exactly right, except on this point. The percent of thc as a ratio to the other canibinoids does not change with extraction or larger more pure gland collections (hash). THe amount of glands increases, but the concentration within the glads stays the same.

Unless I misunderstood your point.

pinkus said:

I think you are exactly right, except on this point. The percent of thc as a ratio to the other canibinoids does not change with extraction or larger more pure gland collections (hash). THe amount of glands increases, but the concentration within the glads stays the same.

Unless I misunderstood your point.

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what concentration is doing is getting rid of the extraneous material lowering the percentage. Pure resin within the secretory cavity is what we're after. As it becomes purer, the ratio of the THC to other cannabinoids stays the same but you still will get higher percentages of THC. Let's say you start with 20% THC, maybe 5% CBD, 1% all others. Remove all of the plant material and you have hash but still have stalks and non-capitate glands we don't want and even the basal cells of the glandular heads we do want, we could easily have doubled to 40% THC, 10% CBD. At a certain mesh size, you will have the highest number of glandular heads as a percentage to other material when compared to other mesh sizes. That will be your premium hash. Alcohol extraction where the resin itself is removed from the gland has the potential for the highest percentage of THC. Also consider that the concentration method might favor a certain molecule over another. We know that vaporization temperatures are different for them so if heating is involved, that will have an effect on the ratio.

Oops, forgot to add the second part of the vid... let's say this part is less scientific, more inquisitory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmClZUHpLw8

He asks the same question... what is that THC a percent from? It can't be of the whole plant, wet or dry, cause 15-20% is way too much. Is it part of the trichome? Well then hash or resin extract should have the same concentration. Is it part of the cannabinoids? Again, no, that would still be way too much. I would believe it's part of the resin vesicle's wall/membrane, since THC is stocked only there, but then having a plant with even 50% THC (of the whole membrane of the vesicle) grown wrong, with only (let's say, for shock value...) 5 trichomes on the whole plant will not get you high at all.

All that being said, the % of THC will not tell you much about a plant or how high it will get you. Actually, I don't even know why we bother with these percentages, it's not like the THC matters that much. For example, White Rhino has 11% THC, but will get me soooo stoned unlike anything else. And as for higher rainking sativas, with over 18% THC, the best arn't the ones with the highest THC. As we all know, it's the synergism of all the 65 cannabinoids that create the high or stone and THC plays a small role in this. Here's a vid to check out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cAFRAX3Gs

And mindphuk, this place really needs more people like you. People who will have something to say instead of asking questions already answered a million times before. And for that here's a +rep. You deserve it, bro.

I didn't think about any methods but physical separation and even that can be augmented with the MESH. I'm so used to my kitchen extraction methods I didn't even think of separating the cannabinoids using temp and weight separation methods. But then I don't want to separate my cannibinoids.

damn good work mindphuk!+rep

Separating your cannabinoids will affect your high. Pure THC will not get you high, a combination of all cannabinoids will. Check out the second vid i linked in the post above.

pure thc most certainly will get you high, maybe not the high you're familiar with but it most certainly will alter your mental state.


that being said, understand it's more about the balance than the potency.

for example crappy weed has very unbalanced thc/cbn/cbd ratios.. this is why no matter how much mids or regs you smoke there is a glass ceiling of how high it will get you, unlike other drugs where if it's less potent you can just take more and get just as high.

cbd/cbn theoretically act as antagonists to the THC receptors, therefore at least partially blocking the action of THC on some receptors.

this is why connoisseur grade pot has very high ratios of thc to cbd/cbn and gives you that intense soaring high. connoisseur grade indicas will never get you to that level but can be truly way higher in thc as well as cbn/cb content...

if you notice when you smoke any head weed (sativa dom.) you can keep reaching new levels everytime you smoke, or if it isn't very potent you can just smoke a shitload of it and get very very high. there are a lot of medium potency sativas out there that while they take a little more effort to smoke (ie 2 or 3 bowls intead of one) they are usually easy to grow and produce a very high QUALITY high which can get you to the same place as the more potent strains but just take a little more smoke to get there

whereas with knockout one-hit wonders like kush varieties you can keep taking bong rips and yeah you'll get a little more stoned but after a few hits you're just "fucked up" and smoking any more doesn't offer much benefit


there is just more variety of weed now, some of the new strains suck, some are amazing and blow the "classics" out of the water. OG Kush and NYC Diesel are great examples of this. but there are thousands of varieties out there so it's hard to say "new weed sucks, old weed rocked" i mean the strain itself really only tells you the potential of the plant, it still has to be properly cared for have good environmental conditions and be properly havested/cured for the right effect.

pinkus said:

I don't want to separate my cannibinoids.

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Doctor Cannabis said:

Separating your cannabinoids will affect your high.

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Like I said

jesus420 said:

pure thc most certainly will get you high, maybe not the high you're familiar with but it most certainly will alter your mental state.


that being said, understand it's more about the balance than the potency.

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Interesting documentary on BBC where the host was injected on one day with pure THC and on another with THC + other cannaniboids.
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/08/12/bbc-documentary-make.html

The program at that point was delving into whether smoking pot can increase the incidence of psychosis, however, it does clearly demonstrate that higher levels of THC without CBD/CBN can certainly change the type of high you get. It is no wonder the strong sativa strains tend to make people more paranoid than indica or late harvested sativas.

Earlier in the show, she smoked various types of bud and hash to document the various effects the different potency and strains had. One of the owners of the Dampkring Coffee Shop in Amsterdam would give her various blind samples and she documented her experiences. That was interesting too.