hermi seeded crop are the seeds any good?

well I had a northern lights plant go hermi and pollinate the rest of the crop before I seen it. my question is what seeds are better to use the seeds from the self pollinating hermi or the seeds from my other females that were pollinated by the hermi. from what I get out of all my research is the hermi plant will tend to produce more hermis and the other ones should produce 99% females. I have also read that the hermi seeds would produce 99%females and that this is called selfing. I have no Idea why the plant hermied other than the possibilty of heat stress but it was the only one out of 5 plants that did so. the hermi plant was kc brains northern lights and the other plants in the room were nirvanas snow white and g13 labs pure gold.I was just hoping that someone could clarify this for me as I would like to use some of the seeds for my next grow but I dont want to waste the time, nutes, and energy on beans that are more likely to hermi. thanks in advance for all the input.

Some may grow clean, some may be pretty much 50/50 M/F, some may grow nearly invisible pollen sacs and destroy your whole crop..
Put them on a cookie sheet, and roast them until they brown.. Pretty tasty, really healthy, and by far the smartest option..

so your saying that they wont be any different than regular seeds except for the hermi factor.

I stressed the first plant I ever grew and she turned hermi. I planted 6 of those hermi seeds and now I am a few weeks from harvest of 6 beautiful gals! My research and personal experience points to a forced hermi producing fem seeds. If the plant was a genetic hermi then your seeds will probably be hermi as well. Plant a few and find out. You could be sitting on a mountain of fem seeds.

polishfalcon420 said:

so your saying that they wont be any different than regular seeds except for the hermi factor.

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You could say that.. You could also say an ocean isn't any different than a salt-water pond except for the size factor..

Plants that are stressed, but resist herming under the stress, and only produce pollen when treated with silver or GA, are candidates for feminization.. A plant that turn by mystery, or natural stress alone is a very risky candidate.. silver and giberellic acid treatment on a herm prone plant does no good.. They are used because the grower has tried, and failed to get the candidate to produce pollen via intense natural stress..
And even after all that work selecting resistant candidates, their offspring will tend to herm statistically more than unfeminized versions regardless of whether the female was bred with herself, or with another feminized female..

born2killspam said:

Plants that are stressed, but resist herming under the stress, and only produce pollen when treated with silver or GA, are candidates for feminization.. A plant that turn by mystery, or natural stress alone is a very risky candidate.. silver and giberellic acid treatment on a herm prone plant does no good.. They are used because the grower has tried, and failed to get the candidate to produce pollen via intense natural stress..
And even after all that work selecting resistant candidates, their offspring will tend to herm statistically more than unfeminized versions regardless of whether the female was bred with herself, or with another feminized female..

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I guess I got lucky! Woohoo! lol

I'd still keep a sharp eye and clip anything suspicious for a while longer..

1/3 will be hermies
1/3 will be female
1/3 will be sterile

CrackerJax said:

1/3 will be hermies
1/3 will be female
1/3 will be sterile

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Please show me where you get these numbers. Hell let's say
1/4 male
1/4 female
1/4 hermi
1/4 chicken nuggets bushes- that would be cool.

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Ashman reported in Science in 2004 that animals and flowering plants employ similar reproductive strategies to increase reproductive success and genetic diversity. These methods include large numbers of sperm cells in males, mate competition and attraction through fighting or natural ornamentation, aversion to inbreeding, and the male inclination to sire as many offspring as possible.
For the current study, Ashman and Pitt postdoctoral research associate Rachel Spigler worked with a wild strawberry species in which the evolution of separate sexes is not complete, so hermaphrodites exist among male and female plants. Sex chromosomes in these plants have two loci—or positions of genes on a chromosome—one that controls sterility and fertility in males and the other in females. Offspring that inherit both fertility versions are hemaphrodites capable of self-breeding. Plants that possess one fertility and one sterility version become either male or female. Those with both sterility versions are completely sterile, cannot reproduce, and, thus, die out.

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"This is an important test of the theory of the early stages of sex chromosome evolution and part of the process of understanding the way we are today," Ashman said. She added that the study also shows that plants can lend insight into animal and human evolution. "We have the opportunity to observe the evolution of sex chromosomes in plants because that development is more recent. We wouldn't see this in animals because the sex chromosomes developed so long ago. Instead, we can study a species that is in that early stage now and apply it to animals based on the unified theory that animal and plant biology often overlaps."
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Take a bow, you deserve it! Nice how you were able to back your statement with readily available facts, clear, and direct. I almost felt like I was enjoying a nice episode of Jeopardy. I am in awe of your brain power! I only wish I had paid more attention during Biology 1 and 2 when I took them way back in high school. Correct information rules.
Besides, we all know if anyone could possibly wish a new plant into exsistance it would most certainly be a cold Pepsi bush!

Howdy PF, Too bad about the hermi! I REALLY like the Northern Lights, and I'm feeling sad just thinking about all the powerful THC being directed into seed production, instead of pain reduction!
I too feel your pain, as my biggest, tallest, fullest outside Purple Crunch went hermi the first week of August, and I was forced to kill it immediately for fear it might pollenate my others.
Thinking about you losing a pretty, big, girl like that NL...... I almost feel like crying, as its almost as bad as losing the majority of your 401k. Hopefully, you can replace it. Sorry, about your luck bro.

thanks for the post cracker, and thanks for the condolences hairpulled. anyone else out there with an opinion or evidence?

be patient with me as i don't think i quite understand. Does this mean that seeds from a genetic hermaphrodite will be 1/3 males, 1/3 females and 1/3 sterile? If this is the case, then where do hermaphrodite seeds come from?( I did ask for patience).

Or does this mean that a hermaphrodite that is grown and then reproduces with its self and so on and so on, will eventually, through the process of evolution only produce male, female or sterile seeds? or am i still wrong?

from the outdoor/wild/natural point of view............ in my experience hermies that are allowed to contribute their genes seriosly cause problems in the future. you have the possibillity of never being able to get a great sinsemilla crop because at any moment u can get pollenated. once the hermi gene becomes established and strong it is HARD to breed out. we had to completely abort an entire crop of about 30 yrs of genetic selection in one canyon where we grow to eliminate the hermi plauge. luckily we had other canyons with unafected genetics to borow from. the only good i can imagine is srpouting them all next year and growing inside where u can controll them and kill all the pollinators to get a seedless crop. good luck

There is no gender breakdown for Hermies. It is a "trait", not a sex. I believe the Hermie trait is existent in all weed. The trait comes out when stress is sensed as a survival technique.

They try and suppress the trait by selective breeding, but it's still there.

when u say selective breeding do u mean x breeding with another strain? What I am really trying to ask is this. Will every seed from a hermie then go on to produce plants that will produce seeds that will produce plants that in all likely hood have the same chance/ratio of being hermie as the seed i started with? Or will some be obviously hermie, some female(with hermie traits) and some male(with hermie traits). Am i not understanding the science?

I think every plant has the potential to hermie. Now, I am not a breeder but I imagine that some plants have a finer trigger than others..... nature loves leeway and can be downright sloppy at times.... whatever works is Nature's motto. Perfection is not the goal, and may actually be counterproductive in the long run.
But, if I had a line of plants that displayed low rates of hermies, I would then try and breed those with other low tendency hermie traits.
Does it work? I think it may be hard to tell out in the field. Every grower is another variable in the equation. Who's to say? Only scientifically approved methods will give true results.