Hermie gets a felony for robbing oil production!

Since RIU seems to be famous for conversations regarding hermanpherdite cannabis plants and at anyone time there may be two or three posts on the first page regarding them. Most times I just shake my head, but occasionally I'll join the fun and offer my oppinion or sometimes just stir the pot. In my oppinion a hermanpherdite cannabis plant (a 100% sure hermie) that self polinates itself is going to give birth to a shit ton of offspring that will all carry the hermie trait. I'm not saying that every single seed is going to herm likes it's mother did, but the trait still exists even though it's remained dormant. It's like powdery mildew; if one part of your plant has it but the rest looks clean it's a mistake to assume that only the visibly affected areas are affected. Not true, it's in the plants cell system and will remain their till it's death. So is a plant that has shown PM on parts of it, but clean on the rest and clean to the eye now, is it a non PM plant? I still consider it a PM contaminated plant and deal with it accordingly. Same goes with hermie offspring, just because I can't see nanners doesnt mean it's not a hermie or will hermie, it just means the hermie trait is at the time dormant. Again this is just my opinion.

So back to another unique point that not too many people understand completely. I was a professional salmon and steelhead fishing guide in Oregon and Washington state. When fishing for salmon or steelhead it's always an extra bonus when you get to catch a couple of hens (female fish) because not only do you get thier meat but you also get to harvest and cure their eggs for future fishing trips. Obviously the bucks (males) don't produce eggs and only produce milt sacks which are no good for bait or anything else I know of. When you clean a female fish next to a male fish you can always tell the difference in quality of meet regardless of freshness (for the most part). The bucks will always have a darker red meat that's firmer to the touch and more flavorful. The females meat will always be lighter in color, more of a pink than red and will be slightly more mushy than the firm bucks meat. The reason being is because the female fish puts a lot of its energy into producing eggs for reproduction and not on it's meat quality by packing on extra fat cells. So now back to hermies and how this all ties together...

So it's safe to say that the herb grown today is far superior to herb grown 30 years ago. 30 years ago most if not all herb had seeds in it, not a couple but a lot of seeds. This was just the norm and the herb was ok so nobody complained too much. Then the word sensimelia came about and eveyone wanted to have herb that was seedless. Well as the industry learned how to rid it's herb of seeds the quality began to improve too. Now a days almost all the herb around is free of seeds and is fairly potent. It take a lot of the plants energy to produce seeds for reproduction and that's energy that could be put towards other places such as resin and oil production. After all where are the seeds most commonly found in buds? In the swollen calyxes of course. Well what's inside of those calyxes if seeds aren't? Sugars, oils, and resins! So when the plant is producing seeds it's also using up all of those sugars and energy sources to make them seeds which results in your buds lacking those oils come harvest time. It's that way with anything that reproduces offspring, you won't see a 7 month prego chick doing hair shoots for Pantene becuase the baby is wrobbing all the calcium that the moms hair needs to look its best. Does any of this make sense?

I just hate people saying yeah your hermie plant will produce great meds but with a lot of seeds too... If that's what people consider great meds, idk what the fuck I've been growing. I will post a picture of a nug shot that is one of our oilyest strains to date. I'm not posting it to brag I'm posting it to see if anyone who has grown out a hermie plant has ever harvested buds with this much oil production. I know there are other growers that grow herb as oily as mine without seeds so yeah... anyone ever seen Komas grows on youtube? Koma is another neighboring Oregon grower that throws down the frosties! Anyways hopefully this clears somethings up. When you think you have the super poop and it's full of seeds, think again what that would have been like seedless... Just Saying!

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haloman420

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Damn that bud looks like you just tossed sugar on top. LoL. Num num num. Anyhow you know what they say. Opinions are like ass holes everybody has one. In the past I put the herm aside and make some canna butter.
 

Coho

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Hows Coho fishing? Good run in local river here but rain will change the bite. I haven't been out of Warrington in awhile.
 

gaztron3030

Active Member
The calyxes are individual so if one is producing a seed the rest are still getting the energy they need.
So I agree with what you say but if the herm is female dominant and has few seeds it will still be good smoke.
 

patrickkawi37

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i agree with all the info above. question. if i got a herm due to to much pk boost weeks 7&8.. will i suffer oil production and still get seeds even though the nanners didnt show up until like day 50 something?
 
The calyxes are individual so if one is producing a seed the rest are still getting the energy they need.
So I agree with what you say but if the herm is female dominant and has few seeds it will still be good smoke.
True, but it would be even better had it put 0% of it's energy into seed formation. I run a ton of BHO, pretty much the only concentrate I make anymore and I've noticed some major differences in oil production from strain to strain and sometimes the reasoning to why. I used to grow a Cinderella 99 cut that produced a lot of visible crystals but when ran thru butane the overall yield was poor and it took me a while to figure out why. Although the C99 produced a ton of visible trichomes they were thinner and almost pistil like with very few plump heads. It's my beleif that these trichomes were present but not full of oil and resin like some of my other strains. If I was to run our P.P. OG Kush I would yield 4 to 5 times as much and the visible crystal content is similar to that of the C99 but the trichomes are plump with very large heads full of oil. It's also my beleif that these oils are key elements in flavor, aroma, and overall quality of the bud. I want to note that I understand that not all visible trichomes are extracted thru the butane process and that many of the C99 trichomes could be other cannabanoids and thus my thc dominant bho would suffer in yield. Fuck around does that even make sence? Not that any of this has to do with the origional topic of seed production robbing oil production but that last oil session sent me on one...

W.C.C.
 
Hows Coho fishing? Good run in local river here but rain will change the bite. I haven't been out of Warrington in awhile.
Fished yesterday and put two chinook in the boat. The fish are just starting to show up down here, and we are setting up for an epic year. Plenty of boat traffic though, and the launches are starting to turn into circuses! Heard of a lady getting ran over and the trailer being parked on her head. They air lifted her to OHSU and she survived, but still what a way to spend a day that's supposed to be great fishing memories. I am glad the B-10 fishery is over, always great fishing but again a fucking circus! It sucks being an outdoor grower/fisherman because one side of me is praying the rains hold of so no worries of mold issues and the other side of me says fuck that we need rain to bring in the fish... Priorities right?

W.C.C.

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growone

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i don't think you can argue with the point of the post, a hermie is not going to give your more resin
and it's definitely a large difference, but quality? there's the rub
not stronger, but maybe sometimes better, DJ Short has mentioned he prefers seeded weed for smoking
i will say that i had a hermie that was 'patchy, i managed to keep seeds of some bud through extreme effort
so i was able to compare the resinous parts with the seeded parts
the seeded was reminiscent of some of the older Mexicans back from the 60's/70's, and that was a sweet memory
but this won't make sense to many, those old strains aren't much available these days, if at all
 
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