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ElGrandeMongo

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EasyGrowerUk said:
Hi ElGrandeMongo,
there a lot of good advice on this thread :)
been overwhelmed with all the comments as I am a new member, it great and thank you all.

When you hang a 1kw bulb vertical, you would need a room 4ft x 4ft x 6ft and have plant all around the bulb because of the size of the room and the bulb does not trap the heat as much as a horizontal hood, I don't think it's a problem with the right set up.

Say you have a floor fan aimed vertical up and hang the top of the bulb just above the canopy and hang the filter vertical above the bulb, so you want a lot of plant 3ft high( above pots)
so you have a ring of plants trapping all the light and airflow

you will give the plants loads of airflow and remove all the heat at the same time
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Interesting. I have a 5x5x6.5ft and 1000w hps. I'm not understanding though how this would increase yields. Are there multiple levels of plants?

How I'm understanding what you're describing above I'd be losing floorspace to my floor fan and I'm not sure what the trade-off I'm making for that space is?
 
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kovidkough

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EasyGrowerUk said:
That's a lot of space for 2 lights,
what reflects are you using ?
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its just the flower room the actual flower grid is 3x6 within that space, i have 2 reflectors 1 batwing and one air cooled the air-cooled was my first ballast ever, I got the batwing so I could experiment with vert
 
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EasyGrowerUk

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ElGrandeMongo said:
Interesting. I have a 5x5x6.5ft and 1000w hps. I'm not understanding though how this would increase yields. Are there multiple levels of plants?

How I'm understanding what you're describing above I'd be losing floorspace to my floor fan and I'm not sure what the trade-off I'm making for that space is?
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say you have a ring of plants 3ft wide and you drop the light in the centre of the canopy 3 weeks into flower (so the streching has stopped), your plants are going to use 100% of direct light
The canopy size will be 3.14 x 3ft (h)x 3ft (w)=28ft2
and this is high quality light for all the canopy, could easy go 3.5 ft across if you want

most goods reflectors will cover 3ft x 5ft = 15ft2 from a 1kw light ( so all the canopy gets high quality light) ( could lose more than 20% of the lights on the walls above the plants)

The reflector could absorb 5% of the light too

so you lose loads of light that turns into heat and canopy size is a lot smaller.
 
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EasyGrowerUk

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I have been thinking about the setup overnight and if you have 3 plants under the one Reflector, keep topping, pulling the shoot down on one plant and top the other 2 plants once ( but you need 4 tops to fan out)

lift the centre plant up, so its level with the canopy,

you could get 2 plants 1ft wide and middle one 2ft x 2ft (8 top minimal) before turning over to flower

keep the middle one 12" above the pot and the over two 20" above the pot, flower them off and you could use one Reflector to cover the hole canopy

the light will cover all 3 plants and create a u shape canopy/screen if you add one 2 weeks in flower(12/12)
move the end plants back so there 4.5 ft between the plants each end.

and the canopy size (screen would be about 7ft x 3ft) could pull 22oz's

my current canopy 5ft x 2.5ft and I should pull about 15oz's

I will start a diary soon and walk you through every stage and uploads pictures every week, this should easy to pull off.

I will be growing in soil with very basic dry nutes
veg time 4-5 weeks and going to look out for some 20ltr or bigger pots.
 
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EasyGrowerUk

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ElGrandeMongo said:
Interesting. I have a 5x5x6.5ft and 1000w hps. I'm not understanding though how this would increase yields. Are there multiple levels of plants?

How I'm understanding what you're describing above I'd be losing floorspace to my floor fan and I'm not sure what the trade-off I'm making for that space is?
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This member has a very similar setup to mine and he has got the same results
 
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ElGrandeMongo

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EasyGrowerUk said:
This member has a very similar setup to mine and he has got the same results
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Very nice. He got some impressive results for sure. Very nice indeed, but what's the technique for height/coverage. Are you just using a trellis to spread the plant across the space of the walls? Do the colas then grow towards the light, or do they still want to grow upwards?

Am definitely willing to give it a go with my 1000w. Don't really have anything to lose. Plants I have going now should keep me and the woman in smoke/vape for well over a year.

Any special equipment recommended? I'd probably tackle it as a project after the summer (so like 10 months from now lol).
 
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EasyGrowerUk

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ElGrandeMongo said:
Very nice. He got some impressive results for sure. Very nice indeed, but what's the technique for height/coverage. Are you just using a trellis to spread the plant across the space of the walls? Do the colas then grow towards the light, or do they still want to grow upwards?

Am definitely willing to give it a go with my 1000w. Don't really have anything to lose. Plants I have going now should keep me and the woman in smoke/vape for well over a year.

Any special equipment recommended? I'd probably tackle it as a project after the summer (so like 10 months from now lol).
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never done the one on wall but the tube vertical grow.
The way I would start off, 6-8 plants under horizontal hood, top once early In veg so you have 4 main top on each plant, 10ltr pots (if your going in soil/coco) try and keep the shoot close and remove small long side shoots (but cut them back to two shoots near the main shoot)

you want loads of small shoots growing off the main shoots, you want the small shoots to grow 6-10", all the buds will drop as they grow
look like a carpet of long buds

The leaves will face the bulb and the plants will grow towards the light so you want most the growth/stretching done under the hood.
(pot the plants up in 20ltr pots a week before flower 12/12)
say 2 weeks in flower I would use bamboo on each side of the pot and slide the mesh over the bamboo to support the plant buds on one side and as you push the pots together you will make circle of of plants, add the fan in the middle and hang the bulb in the centre of the plants.

job done
 
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ElGrandeMongo

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EasyGrowerUk said:
never done the one on wall but the tube vertical grow.
The way I would start off, 6-8 plants under horizontal hood, top once early In veg so you have 4 main top on each plant, 10ltr pots (if your going in soil/coco) try and keep the shoot close and remove small long side shoots (but cut them back to two shoots near the main shoot)

you want loads of small shoots growing off the main shoots, you want the small shoots to grow 6-10", all the buds will drop as they grow
look like a carpet of long buds

The leaves will face the bulb and the plants will grow towards the light so you want most the growth/stretching done under the hood.
(pot the plants up in 20ltr pots a week before flower 12/12)
say 2 weeks in flower I would use bamboo on each side of the pot and slide the mesh over the bamboo to support the plant buds on one side and as you push the pots together you will make circle of of plants, add the fan in the middle and hang the bulb in the centre of the plants.

job done
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Fuck maybe it's because I'm in the office right now and not baked, but I'm lost on your explaination. What do you mean by they'll drop and look like a carpet of long buds. And I'm entirely lost on the bamboo thing!
 
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EasyGrowerUk

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Sorry fellow its me,
somtimes need to go into a little more detail.

On most canbis plants you have a set of shoots every 3-4"

you keep cutting these shoots back so you have a main shoot/stem 3ft long with loads of small shoot/ side branches

you let the side branches grow in flower so the plant looks like a scrog on its side facing the bulb.
All the side shoots will start stretching towards the light, as the shoots start to develop buds, the weight will make the buds drop and lay on the one below it and helps to support it (carpet of buds)

The bamboo thing
use some 2" x 2" wire mesh and cut it 3ft x (say) 1.5ft pieces weave the 4ft bamboo down each side of the mesh and slide the bamboo in the sides of the pot to support the plant so it covers the front of the plants with the mesh

as you push the pots together you can tie the bamboo together to make a solid frame for the plants.
 
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ElGrandeMongo

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EasyGrowerUk said:
Sorry fellow its me,
somtimes need to go into a little more detail.

On most canbis plants you have a set of shoots every 3-4"

you keep cutting these shoots back so you have a main shoot/stem 3ft long with loads of small shoot/ side branches

you let the side branches grow in flower so the plant looks like a scrog on its side facing the bulb.
All the side shoots will start stretching towards the light, as the shoots start to develop buds, the weight will make the buds drop and lay on the one below it and helps to support it (carpet of buds)

The bamboo thing
use some 2" x 2" wire mesh and cut it 3ft x (say) 1.5ft pieces weave the 4ft bamboo down each side of the mesh and slide the bamboo in the sides of the pot to support the plant so it covers the front of the plants with the mesh

as you push the pots together you can tie the bamboo together to make a solid frame for the plants.
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Thanks that clears up the most of it. A bit fuzzy on the cutting back the shoots. Are you saying you're topping the side branching repeatedly to increase branching

And do you think a 14" all metal construction floor fan would do the trick? I've got a 20" mastercraft shop fan but I'd imagine that thing is overkill for a tent? Anything else needed in there for airflow?
 
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EasyGrowerUk

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you welcome,
yes that's better way to put it :)
"topping the side branching repeatedly to increase branching" and to keep the branches short

A 14" floor fan would do the trick.

You could aim the intake fan towards the fan and hang the filter above the bulb.
 
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ElGrandeMongo

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Thanks m8. Will need to give this a go next year. Start of winter next year probably the best time to rearrange. Plenty of time to plan!
 
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Crazy_Ace420

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Sup y'all , I am new to the game and appreciate the wealth of knowledge everyone possess! I had a general idea through studying Migro and other Youtube growers of the avenue i was taking, and the Mara Hydro ts1000w in a 2x2x6 seemed like the perfect place to start for me. Well now im approaching week 9 flower and i couldn't be happier! There are some really great people on this page! and I appreciate all the advice, and all the time people put into responding and giving thoughtful suggestions from past experiences and knowledge. Happy growin yall :peace:
 
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