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Keesje

Keesje

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RobMac315 said:
Not a grow report but...https://youtu.be/wpCagQpSg0k
Here's the time lapse off youtube. I'm sure there's be a diary if you looked. Think the top link is over 3.5lbs
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Pretty sure that this is 'fake news'.
Can't prove it, but all the people who understand led lightning say that Black Dog is not worth the money.
This is for example what Teknik states at Ledgardner: "There are products out that that are absolutely too expensive and rely on marketing, black dog is one that comes to mind. That is over the top and not only a rip off but is actually worse than using a HPS."
Also here on RIU several people think that Black Dog probably uses different lights when the camera was off. Or that they added nuggets from another grow.


Ardent said:
see I been using 750w de hps for years in 4x4 spaces, pulling about 1000g or 1.3 gpw.
Now trying led in same spaces and so far only hitting 750g or 1.3gpw
But I couldn’t care less about saving 200 Watts power if I’m losing 250g.

the leds are putting out 1200 umol without co2, which I’m told is saturation but I haven’t seen any light stress signals.
The 750w de hps was putting Out 1700 umol and about 900 umol on canopy edges.
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I think the solution to your problem lies in buying an LED that produces the same amount of umol as your HPS did. It seems logical to me that you will have less yield if you give your plants less light.
 
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Ardent

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Hey mate my led can put out more umol than my hps, first run with the led I ran the canopy at 1500 umol, which is way more than the hps as the hps had lower umol on the perimeter.

now I’m trying running the led’s at a Lower umol because that’s what the forum consensus seems to be.
They are high quality panels, 6 Aussie high lights panels per 4x4 running off 1 450w driver.

so to answer your question running the led’s at equal umol to hps first time around yielded less.
So hps and Led umol are obviously not equal.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Keesje said:
Pretty sure that this is 'fake news'.
Can't prove it, but all the people who understand led lightning say that Black Dog is not worth the money.
This is for example what Teknik states at Ledgardner: "There are products out that that are absolutely too expensive and rely on marketing, black dog is one that comes to mind. That is over the top and not only a rip off but is actually worse than using a HPS."
Also here on RIU several people think that Black Dog probably uses different lights when the camera was off. Or that they added nuggets from another grow.



I think the solution to your problem lies in buying an LED that produces the same amount of umol as your HPS did. It seems logical to me that you will have less yield if you give your plants less light.
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I don't understand the "worse than HPS" comment. What's wrong with using HPS lights? They grow great weed.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Dopesmoka said:
I heard the resin that it puts on at the end is like no other ?
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$600 for their 200 watt LED. It better water, and harvest the plants as well.

No way I'd spend that kind of money. I'll stick with my 600 watt HPS. It produces more high quality bud than I can smoke. I don't understand how people justify spending that kind of money for a damn light.
 
Keesje

Keesje

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xtsho said:
I don't understand the "worse than HPS" comment. What's wrong with using HPS lights? They grow great weed.
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Of course you can grow great weed under HPS.
But if the results with this Black Dog light are not that good, or if you get even less yield with the same amount of Watts, it can be called worse.
And did you look up the price of those Black Dogs? You can buy several HPS fixtures for the price of 1 Black Dog.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Keesje said:
Of course you can grow great weed under HPS.
But if the results with this Black Dog light are not that good, or if you get even less yield with the same amount of Watts, it can be called worse.
And did you look up the price of those Black Dogs? You can buy several HPS fixtures for the price of 1 Black Dog.
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I misunderstood you're post. My bad.

And yes I looked up the price of those lights. Just ridiculous. I can't believe anyone would pay those prices. But they have a cool sounding name.
 
Dopesmoka

Dopesmoka

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xtsho said:
$600 for their 200 watt LED. It better water, and harvest the plants as well.

No way I'd spend that kind of money. I'll stick with my 600 watt HPS. It produces more high quality bud than I can smoke. I don't understand how people justify spending that kind of money for a damn light.
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I guess strain has something to do with it to but every time I see a bud shot with hps lights it just looks so sticky and coated
 
Flowki

Flowki

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Keesje said:
@Flowki
You keep on talking about how many grams per watt with led one could achieve.
I also think that this is possible.
But this whole topic is not about grams per watt.
It is about grams per 4 x 4.

If that is achieved by led or hps or candlelight is irrelevant.
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A scrog net will hold a canopy surface area of 4x4, an intentional stadium style canopy will have a lot more than that. This is one way, that nobody really does to increase yield, it's a pain in the arse. The other way as has been pointed out, large amounts of small main cola plants, also a pain in the arse. Both do the same thing of getting more buds within good light range, assuming you are skilled enough to do it.

A lot of decent amateur growers are not doing the above ways but are still getting 1.2-1.5gpw on avg. Many people are growing with some level of quality in mind, even medical. If it was easy and all strains were equally yielding, we'd all be doing it.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Keesje said:
13 lbs on what space?

I hear stories already for many years that people have amazing yields.
But... stories. Never a day to day grow journal or pics.

I know some very good growers where I live in Europe.
They do really well and some of them have state of the art dialed in rooms and years of experience.
Never did they achieve the amounts that some mention here.
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I don't know if this guy is still active here. I don't recall the space he use BUT, it was enough for me to call him out. I publicly took that back, and we spoke some after that on his harvests. he included pictures of one before and of an active harvest. It was quite true.

The things were made out of SS and they were not "bucket" systems. If I remember right there were 3 or 4 of them on two sides of the room....

At any rate...How about trying SOG out and not pointing fingers! I told you how....DO IT.
 
Keesje

Keesje

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I tried sog.
It can give you a higher yield, but it is also a lot of hassle with getting that many clones for example.
I am not pointing fingers.
Just like to read some legitimate grow journal or see some pics.
Never seen that. Just people claiming their yield was high.
Also never seen the buds on pics, because popcorn and other shit is not yield in my eyes. So I am curious.
 
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Richalpha

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Keesje said:
I tried sog.
It can give you a higher yield, but it is also a lot of hassle with getting that many clones for example.
I am not pointing fingers.
Just like to read some legitimate grow journal or see some pics.
Never seen that. Just people claiming their yield was high.
Also never seen the buds on pics, because popcorn and other shit is not yield in my eyes. So I am curious.
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I just top mine like crazy early on. Do you have access to seeds. I kno a strain thats perfect n potent on seedman
 
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