Fogdog
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Opened it. Mindless right wing propaganda. Says stuff that are patently false. You thought it was significant, why? What point are you trying to make with this post?
Hillary can't be trusted
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bravedave
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Come on Fogfraud...Right wing propaganga from the National Border Patrol Council??? Lol
Here learn more about them.
http://www.bpunion.org/index.php/about-nbpc
So what do you find "patently false"? You are dismissing 15 paragraphs with one feeble stroke. The point is obvious...Hillary cannot be trusted and her old boss is a fraud.
Fogdog
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I read this: "Obama’s efforts to deceive the American public about border security, in order to pursue amnesty programs"
And thought: BS. There was nothing to back up that statement. It was simply an opinion. I'm not interested in reading what somebody opines on. Not some nobody who nobody heard of and will never hear about. A nobel laureate or a well known analyst with some chops in that policy arena, maybe then I'd take his opinion seriously.
"Hillary cannot be trusted and her old boss is a fraud."
Is that what it said? Pull out the lines saying that with some fact to back up the reason behind the statement. Simply posting a link to an odious bit of right wing hack isn't going to draw interest. State an opinion and use the link to back it up. Make it interesting and informative. If not interesting then at least be informative or vice versa. And bring facts, not truthy opinion sorta sounding true stuff.
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bravedave
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Be happy to, as soon as you qualify those things that are patently false,
Fogdog
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I already posted something that is patently false. It was just an opinion. You guys can't carry debate. All you do is sit back and take pot shots. Post something worthy of discussing and I'll go there with you. I don't think you can do it.
Flaming Pie
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We need sensible Pressure Cooker control laws!
People shouldn't be allowed to have these potentially dangerous appliances!
People shouldn't be allowed to have these potentially dangerous appliances!
Flaming Pie
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Do you think the border control understand the security needs of our country? Why would the entire border patrol send out a message like this and endorse trump? Are they all racist?
Flaming Pie
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Americans shouldn't need anything other than butter knives to cut their food!
Assault knives are too dangerous for a civilian to own!
Assault knives are too dangerous for a civilian to own!
UncleBuck
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where are all the good guys with pressure cookers?
SneekyNinja
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UncleBuck
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they want to cushion their funding. DERP!
and yes, a great deal of them are racist. trump has proved that the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic section of the electorate is much greater than we all would have liked to think.
Fogdog
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All right, I'll play along and show you why you and Dave have just eaten the verbal equivalent of junk food.
Here is a fact free paragraph:
President Obama and Secretary Clinton fail to recognize we live in a world where religious and political fanatics are actively plotting to harm U.S. citizens at home and abroad. Instead of investing in measures to secure our nation’s borders, they have openly and actively pursued what Secretary of State John Kerry called a “borderless world.” Americans need to ask themselves: Do we want to risk the safety and security of our family, businesses and communities on the dangerous and extreme policies supported by the ACLU, American Friends Service Committee, and other ideological extremists?
Really? Obama and Clinton aren't aware that religious and political fanatics are plotting harm against the US? One would think they hadn't heard of 9-11.
They pursue a borderless world? What actions has Obama taken that proves this point?
What are they talking about when saying "risk the safety and security of" our people and communities? There have been no major issues with illegal immigrants. Excluding the fact that being here is a crime, crimes rates for illegal immigrants are lower than the general population. Do they mean drug smugglers? I haven't heard that drug smuggling has suddenly become a major issue in the US. Violent crime is down big time over the past ten years. What exactly are they talking about?
What extreme policies pursued by the ACLU are they talking about?
That paragraph is no different from the rest of the bulletin and is full of inflammatory statements but it's more like the empty calories in a soda than a real meal. The Border Patrol Union sees a big advantage to them if Trump wins. That's all I read in this statement. If you think this is news then you are dumber than I thought and that is saying something.
Again, the border patrol wins big time if Trump wins. It's a union and unions promote the interests of it's members. No different from other Unions and not necessarily bad, just biased. Follow the money and you'll see why that fact free bulletin filled with invective was published.
Upon close examination it breaks down. This is why I call that bulletin propaganda. It probably has you and Dave bouncing off the wall, I mean "Do we want to risk the safety and security of our family, businesses and communities on the dangerous and extreme policies "
Wow! No I don't! That's a simple question to answer but what does that have to do with Clinton?
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SneekyNinja
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Record levels of deportations under Obama... "Obama doesn't care and wants a borderless world"All right, I'll play along and show you why you and Dave have just eaten the verbal equivalent of junk food.
Here is a fact free paragraph:
President Obama and Secretary Clinton fail to recognize we live in a world where religious and political fanatics are actively plotting to harm U.S. citizens at home and abroad. Instead of investing in measures to secure our nation’s borders, they have openly and actively pursued what Secretary of State John Kerry called a “borderless world.” Americans need to ask themselves: Do we want to risk the safety and security of our family, businesses and communities on the dangerous and extreme policies supported by the ACLU, American Friends Service Committee, and other ideological extremists?
Really? Obama and Clinton aren't aware that religious and political fanatics are plotting harm against the US? One would think they hadn't heard of 9-11.
They pursue a borderless world? What actions has Obama taken that proves this point?
What are they talking about when saying "risk the safety and security of" our people and communities? There have been no major issues with illegal immigrants. Excluding the fact that being here is a crime, crimes rates for illegal immigrants are lower than the general population. Do they mean drug smugglers? I haven't heard that drug smuggling has suddenly become a major issue in the US. Violent crime is down big time over the past ten years. What exactly are they talking about?
What extreme policies pursued by the ACLU are they talking about?
That paragraph is no different from the rest of the bulletin and is full of inflammatory statements but it's more like the empty calories in a soda than a real meal. The Border Patrol Union sees a big advantage to them if Trump wins. That's all I read in this statement. If you think this is news then you are dumber than I thought and that is saying something.
Again, the border patrol wins big time if Trump wins. It's a union and unions promote the interests of it's members. No different from other Unions and not necessarily bad, just biased. Follow the money and you'll see why that fact free bulletin filled with invective was published.
Upon close examination it breaks down. This is why I call that bulletin propaganda. It probably has you and Dave bouncing off the wall, I mean "Do we want to risk the safety and security of our family, businesses and communities on the dangerous and extreme policies "
"Trump will increase border security"...
He's got a hell of alot of catching up to do.
Fogdog
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To be fair, the trend over the past three years is fewer deportations. That's what the border patrol is carping about. It's also fair to ask why are the border patrol fixated on deporting people already here when their job is to keep people from crossing?
Otherwise, you are right in total numbers, Obama has overseen many more deportations that Bush jr.
And somehow, it's all Clinton's fault.
SneekyNinja
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Therefore Clinton hates Mexicans?To be fair, the trend over the past three years is fewer deportations. That's what the border patrol is carping about. It's also fair to ask why are the border patrol fixated on deporting people already here when their job is to keep people from crossing?
Otherwise, you are right in total numbers, Obama has overseen many more deportations that Bush jr.
And somehow, it's all Clinton's fault.
Makes sense...
/sarcasm
Unclebaldrick
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Especially since everything got combined under the Patriot Act. Each agency now competes for the same dollar. It makes an amazing amount of difference them, so they lobby hard.
bravedave
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Not a "trend over the last three years" But a consistant deceptive policy ever since he came into office. Stinky Ninja needs to read the link we are talking about before pretending he knows something.To be fair, the trend over the past three years is fewer deportations. That's what the border patrol is carping about. It's also fair to ask why are the border patrol fixated on deporting people already here when their job is to keep people from crossing?
Otherwise, you are right in total numbers, Obama has overseen many more deportations that Bush jr.
And somehow, it's all Clinton's fault.
Here are some timely facts from that Right Wing rag... The LA Times. Doh!
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79794797/
Some highlights:
"Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have FALLEN steadily since his FIRST year in office and are down more than 40% since 2009"
"...the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up -- PRIMARILY as a result of changing who gets counted ... The VAST majority of those border crossers would not have been treated as formal deportations under previous administrations"
Yes, Fogfraud, these tweaks were left under the rug as Clinton and others ...just like Stinky Ninja...have touted Obama's deception in this area. A deception that continued to be mentioned as the Supreme Court ruled on Obama's executive amnesty bill that was nixed. Why are lefties so fucking gullible? The guy is a fraud and has been since day one and Clinton has been complicit in the fraud. NOT opinion.
SneekyNinja
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bravedave
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Stinky, Stinky, Stinky,
Actually no its not. After you read the letter from the NBPC, please read the LA Times article as it will tell you that, as usual and much like FogFraud, you are all wet.
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SneekyNinja
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I read the article; overall deportations are up, but it's mostly on or near the border with less aliens who are living and established being deported.
Still higher overall deportation numbers.
Learn 2 Math.
You've 2 cannabis plants (one indica and one sativa) and usually produce 100 grams from each.
If you produce 120g indica and 90g sativa, is your overall yield up or down?
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